The Wrestling Thread

[PoITeR]

For the silly whp dont realise that wwe is a show, like all shows it has story lines, most people know that every match is dont like a story, everything that comes out of there mouths, is a story.

It is a very successful story, until they start getting injuried the story runs smoothly, just watch it one time, you can see they pass it thing on to each other, when they push someone to the ropes for a throw and sometimes they slap the back and all of a sudden it gets the other way.

Vickie would of been spoken to and been given option before anythiong started.

 

[Luke D]

With all the money Eddie made, her and her kids are already set up for life!!!!!!!!!!!

Not necessarily... What would you rather? Live off the money your late spouse/family member made or would you rather make some more money while having those savings at hand too?

What happens when the money Eddie made runs out? How are Vicki and the rest of the family going to live? This way Vicki can keep the lifestyle her and the kids have been used to go for a lot longer.

 

[Taya04]

Not necessarily... What would you rather? Live off the money your late spouse/family member made or would you rather make some more money while having those savings at hand too?
What happens when the money Eddie made runs out? How are Vicki and the rest of the family going to live? This way Vicki can keep the lifestyle her and the kids have been used to go for a lot longer.

But why does she have go along with a storyline like that? There are so many other storylines the WWE can create. It just makes me sick. Business or not. Making her GM of Smackdown was enough. I doubt very much that the money Eddie made would run out. Come on Luke, He's been in the business for that many years! Add it all up.

And Poiter, Im quiet aware that its a storyline! Im just saying that I dont think its a good one. Its not going to win any browny points with the fans. Nore the superstars as they too had alot of respect for Eddie. I think what Batista said on the Cutting Edge sums it up in one!

 

[The Reggae]

Publicity stunts = $$$$$

Totally agree Adam

however, can I add one word to this debate

MORALS

I agree that she has to support herself and her children, but she could find a way to do it that would make her children proud (in years to come) and in a fashion that respects the memory of her late husband.

We all know it's a story line, not much different to those of soap operas, but she is showing that she has

A) No respect for herself
B) No respect for her husband
C) No respect for her children and the impact this will ultimately have on them

 

[Deadman Inc]

I think we should be questioning the morals of the script writers. I hated "anti-american" storylines involving Canadian, French and Arab wrestlers. Those storylines made me sick as well as storylines involving Vince cheating on his wife, they were just gross. I understand wrestling needed to evolve into sports entertainment but I miss the old good guy verses bad guy gimmick storylines. Those were the good ol days

 

[The Reggae]

I think we should be questioning the morals of the script writers.

Damn straight!!!

But she should have enough self respect to decline this story line.
It would be a different story if he was killed off in the script, but he actually died in real life.

 

[Luke D]

. Come on Luke, He's been in the business for that many years! Add it all up.

Yes adding it up should mean there's a ton of money to set her up for life.... But its also a well known fact that a lot of wrestlers don't save and just p*ss all their money away on booze and drugs...

And I might get chastised here, but the sad fact its the truth, Eddie was no angel... there was the drinking and drug addictions... the only way to fuel that is to spend the money you make. You've gotta take all options into account.

Do you think Vickie would've been asked beforehand if she had a problem with the storyline? You may be thinking "F*ck no" but I personally think yes... And that if she had a huge objection to it, this storyline would not be happening


And FFS its been 2 years already!! There's living in the past, and then there's moving on...... its quite obvous to see what she's done. She's moved on and is trying to set her kids up for life, and possibly their kids too.

You can never have too much money and be too stable!

 

[Luke D]

I think we should be questioning the morals of the script writers. I hated "anti-american" storylines involving Canadian, French and Arab wrestlers. Those storylines made me sick as well as storylines involving Vince cheating on his wife, they were just gross. I understand wrestling needed to evolve into sports entertainment but I miss the old good guy verses bad guy gimmick storylines. Those were the good ol days

In this day and age, morals don't exist anymore. There is no black and white. Just many different shades of grey. You may hate the anti so and so storylines they do - but guess what - they get a reaction out of you!!

Thats the whole point.... if viewers and fans are sittin there with indifference written over there faces, the show won't be successful... its all about pushing boundaries, creating interest. The thing with that is sometimes it works, other times it doesnt. You never know unless you try. Honestly you would much rather watch the Hogan-esque era of good guy v bad guy with the good guy always prevailing? That had its time and place in the 80s/early to mid 90's.....since the Attitude era, the envolope is being pushed... There's heroes, antiheroes, anti-antiheroes, and then there's the faces people love to hate (Cena, Lashley etc).

Wrestling reflects the events of today... its always progressing. If it never did the product wouldn't be around anymore.

And if everyone loved/hated/thought the same, the world would be a very dull place!

 

[Luke D]

But she should have enough self respect to decline this story line.
.

I'm sorry, but it has nothing to do with self respect. People grieve in different ways... By accepting the storyline she's quite obviously moved on.... yes its a huge loss losing a family member or partner, but time heals all wounds and she's gotten over it.

After his death everyone (even some people on this very forum) were saying "oh the use of Eddie's name is ok... the show must go on... its what Eddie would've wanted".... people were saying that when WWE were prostituting his name to make a buck (THAT was disrespectful!)............. Now just because a storyline people aren't as welcoming to (Don't know whether thats because its not "wholesome family goodness" or whatever) is going on in the E everyone is like "Its disrespectful to his name....How could they do something like this?" etc etc..... Its not.... People will have feelings toward it either way... If you love it, the writers win. If you hate it, the writers win. If you tune in, the writers win.... When it all comes down to the end of it.. If you don't like something then you might as well just turn it off....

Ratings are what matter.... Fan opinions take a back seat.

 

[Taya04]

Luke, Im not saying that Vickie wouldnt have been asked about the storyline. What I'm saying aswell as Rachel is that we can't believe she went aheead with it. And if she wasnt really happy, there is no harm in saying NO.

And to the statement you made about Eddie, He wasnt into drugs drugs. He was addicted to PAIN KILLERS and had been sober for MANY years before his death. So I think it might be wise for you to move on with that statement.

It doesnt matter how long its been since he died. You cant tell me her kids would understand that their Mother is just acting ie ****ing around with another man on TV to make a living? Especially on a show that holds their father in such high regard. I mean FFS he made the hall of fame.

Do you really think that Eddie would be proud of his wife doing this? I doubt it.

 

[Luke D]

I do think he'd be proud of it IF what everyone was saying after his death of "Eddie would want the show to go on" IS/WAS TRUE!


As for its not drugs, its pain killers? How do you suppose you get them? You need money.... drugs are drugs no matter what they are.... he took them excessively and was dependent on them... it led to his downfall.

Just think, if he didn't have this "addiction" imagine then how set for life he and his family would be.... with him still a part of it!

 

[Taya04]

Yes, the show must go on. But it doesnt have to go on involving his wife having an relationship with one of the superstars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are other ways to keep the fans on the edge of their seats.

Have you ever read his book Luke? Because by the things your saying you haven't. Before his first chapter he speaks of his addiction and how he hit rock botton. It THEN speaks of how he got back up and gained back everything he had LOST. He didnt lose all of his money on drugs and even if he did, the money those superstars make in a year, the wouldnt have to work ever again! Look at the houses they live in and the cars they drive!

The WWE is known all over the world. You cant tell me that if Eddie's kids went to get a job they wouldnt be recognized as being Eddie Guerrero's daughters! They'd probably get hired because of it!

It may seem like im taking it a bit too far, but I am one of Eddie's biggest fans. I just coulnt see him doing something like this if it was Vickie that was in the business and passed away.

 

[AGE]

reading this Vickie/Edge thing and laughing. the writers of the show would be as happy as a pig in s**t right now because everyone has an opinion/reaction to it.

face facts guys that wrestling is nothing more than a soap opera for big kids. no different to neighbours, home and away etc. should people on these shows not kiss and do scenes that may include sexual connotations because they have partners either living or dead???

i, as well, was a huge eddie fan but if people remember a while back wasnt it eddie that was seen to be having a relationship with chyna??? wasnt eddie still with Vickie at that time??? wasnt chyna seeing another superstar at that time??? would this then be classed as disrespectful to Vickie or is it different because it was eddie doing it??? as far as his drug addiction, guys let it go. it was a long time ago and lets try and remember the eddie we saw week after week who entertained the hell out of us. that was the eddie that should be remembered.

as far as his kids, well they were a lot younger when he was supposedly with chyna so wouldnt they have misunderstood more at their tender age and asked more questions then rather than now when they are old enough to understand that wrestling is a soap opera???

i dont actually like this storyline but i, as well as luke and a couple others, understand that it is exactly that, a storyline. i do think its disrespectful but should Vickie have to risk her job in WWE because of other peoples opinions and turn this storyline down. every person has a right and a choice to do what they feel is right for them and their career without people thinking less of them.

thats enough from me I think
my 20 cents worth

 

[Deadman Inc]

reading this Vickie/Edge thing and laughing. the writers of the show would be as happy as a pig in s**t right now because everyone has an opinion/reaction to it.
face facts guys that wrestling is nothing more than a soap opera for big kids. no different to neighbours, home and away etc. should people on these shows not kiss and do scenes that may include sexual connotations because they have partners either living or dead???
i, as well, was a huge eddie fan but if people remember a while back wasnt it eddie that was seen to be having a relationship with chyna??? wasnt eddie still with Vickie at that time??? wasnt chyna seeing another superstar at that time??? would this then be classed as disrespectful to Vickie or is it different because it was eddie doing it??? as far as his drug addiction, guys let it go. it was a long time ago and lets try and remember the eddie we saw week after week who entertained the hell out of us. that was the eddie that should be remembered.
as far as his kids, well they were a lot younger when he was supposedly with chyna so wouldnt they have misunderstood more at their tender age and asked more questions then rather than now when they are old enough to understand that wrestling is a soap opera???
i dont actually like this storyline but i, as well as luke and a couple others, understand that it is exactly that, a storyline. i do think its disrespectful but should Vickie have to risk her job in WWE because of other peoples opinions and turn this storyline down. every person has a right and a choice to do what they feel is right for them and their career without people thinking less of them.
thats enough from me I think
my 20 cents worth

Great post AGE couldn't agree with you more. I can understand both sides of the story but in my opinion the writers are the ones to blame for putting Vickie in such a storyline in the first place but to me the fact Vickie is willing to be involved in this storyline means she's moved on.

 

[Taya04]

i, as well, was a huge eddie fan but if people remember a while back wasnt it eddie that was seen to be having a relationship with chyna??? wasnt eddie still with Vickie at that time??? wasnt chyna seeing another superstar at that time??? would this then be classed as disrespectful to Vickie or is it different because it was eddie doing it???

Mate, Vickie isnt DEAD is she??? I think there is a major difference in what Eddie did to what Vickie is doing now!

If Vickie had such a problem with it, she had a chance to say something. In this case Eddie doesn't. And the thing that pisses me off is that Vickie had NOTHING to do with the WWE until now. Why not bring her in while Eddie was alive? While Eddie was seeing another woman for that year when his 3rd daughter Kayliee was born? Answer that one for me.

Thats just my 20 cents worth

 

[Luke D]

I think everyone is missing the point here.... its not the storyline thats the real cringer... its watching Vickie trying to act!!!


Firstly, they did bring her in while Eddie was alive (remember the Eddie v Rey feud thru 2005?). The opening of this post is also why they didn't bring her in more while Eddie was alive.... there was no need to bring her in for starters, and secondly, she doesn't have "ratings" written all over her... Up until lately any Vickie segment I would change the channel for.

AGE, thank you... at least someone can agree.... Whether its good or bad, WWE is loving this because of the reaction!!

 

[The Reggae]

Why doesn't she just become a prostitute on the side, that should earn her a bit more money

 

[Deadman Inc]

Why doesn't she just become a prostitute on the side, that should earn her a bit more money

lol aren't they prostituting her now in WWE?

 

[The Reggae]

Precisely my point!!!

Oh well good luck to her, at the end of the day it's her decision and people deal with grief and other emotions in their own way. Personally I think it's not really appropriate, but she's a big girl and can make her own decisions and deal with the consequences.

Look forward to seeing the rest of the story unfold!

 

[Taya04]

On the WWE website it says that Vickie and Edge have been having a relationship on the outside aswell...Funny that.

And just to clarify one more thing...Eddie didnt have a relationship with Chyna when he first got a name for himself. The most he did was give her flowers, kiss her on the cheek and call her a mamasita!

That is all