Melbourne Cup Oiling Pattern
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2007 K&K 23.6 mls
jason_doust
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Good Question Paul.
The answer to your question is simple. Traffic. Right handers outnumber lefthanders in Australia about 7:1. It's probably a bit less in the bowling world, but even so, there's more traffic and more lane oil breakdown on the right. That's why you see righties using the LHS heads to get the ball down the lane but you don't see lefties using the RHS heads. For a couple of reasons, the lefties almost never need to.
It's also why you see righties (especially the power players) having to move 10+ boards left during the course of a qualifying round in order to hold the pocket when the lefties aren't moving anything near that much. This is why there is a trend away from symmetrical patterns to even things up. It reflects the fact that we don't have symmetrical fields of players or even a symmetrical pattern of surface wear across the lanes.
Now while I said the answer to your question is simple, the solution to how we balance the game of bowling is extremely complicated. Lanemen need to understand surfaces, effects of temperature / humidity variation, conditioner characteristics, lane topography and a host of other influences. I take my hat off to anyone who's out there having a go to make the lanes better. It's a tough gig.
Cheers,
Jason
jason_doust
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I tend to agree. But it opens up the whole RHS / LHS issue again...
(I said it was complicated!)
tonx
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Last year the Lefties complained that they were shut out, because the shot was inside. There was a couple of lefties with really nice inside shots that were able to hit it during qualifying, the ones that couldn't play inside just grinded down 10 board.
The right handers loved the fact that there was one tournament where the shot was finally inside! Finally catering for the Mass market instead of the select few was great! I wasn't a huge fan of the pattern last year, but it did show up those without great inside games.
It's incredibly difficult to win a tournament when the shot is outside for a righty, (most Australian tournaments this year) because the oil quantity is small to begin with out there, so the traffic breaks it down too fast. If there is enough oil to begin with out there, it solves this problem!
Brings the topic back to high scoring and low scoring tournaments doesnt it?
Flatter patterns = Oil outside - have to be more accurate, but there is a chance for a right hander to play the line they are supposed to play. If the pattern is short, its outside, and if the pattern is long, its inside.
Higher scoring patterns = Little to no oil ouside - have to be LESS accurate, and a high rev player MUST play inside increase ball speed and reduce revs regardless of the length of pattern, because the breakpoint isn't at the end of the pattern, but rather outside the pattern. A right hander MUST keep moving left, and a left hander gets to play the same shot all tournament.
Are we seeing a pattern yet in adult events this year? The scores are back up, and there has only been 1 right hander win in 5 majors. Youth events aren't scoring as high, and both sides of the lane are playing fairly (note the great tournament in sydney on the weekend, best tournament I have ever bowled in)
I don't have an opinion on the pattern this weekend yet, as ED FLEMMING lanes are a different kettle of fish to bowl on. All we can do is observe the results.
All I have to say to conclude this post, and its not an attack (as some may view it as), but rather an observation.
If the lefties keep winning every single national tournament, and Australian conditions continue to go the road they are going down now, how long will it be before the only people that bowl are the lefties?
The right handers loved the fact that there was one tournament where the shot was finally inside! Finally catering for the Mass market instead of the select few was great! I wasn't a huge fan of the pattern last year, but it did show up those without great inside games.
It's incredibly difficult to win a tournament when the shot is outside for a righty, (most Australian tournaments this year) because the oil quantity is small to begin with out there, so the traffic breaks it down too fast. If there is enough oil to begin with out there, it solves this problem!
Brings the topic back to high scoring and low scoring tournaments doesnt it?
Flatter patterns = Oil outside - have to be more accurate, but there is a chance for a right hander to play the line they are supposed to play. If the pattern is short, its outside, and if the pattern is long, its inside.
Higher scoring patterns = Little to no oil ouside - have to be LESS accurate, and a high rev player MUST play inside increase ball speed and reduce revs regardless of the length of pattern, because the breakpoint isn't at the end of the pattern, but rather outside the pattern. A right hander MUST keep moving left, and a left hander gets to play the same shot all tournament.
Are we seeing a pattern yet in adult events this year? The scores are back up, and there has only been 1 right hander win in 5 majors. Youth events aren't scoring as high, and both sides of the lane are playing fairly (note the great tournament in sydney on the weekend, best tournament I have ever bowled in)
I don't have an opinion on the pattern this weekend yet, as ED FLEMMING lanes are a different kettle of fish to bowl on. All we can do is observe the results.
All I have to say to conclude this post, and its not an attack (as some may view it as), but rather an observation.
If the lefties keep winning every single national tournament, and Australian conditions continue to go the road they are going down now, how long will it be before the only people that bowl are the lefties?
matt_fryer
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2007 K&K 23.6 mls was this the friday or saturday pattern
im not a big hooker of a ball and i have always struggled on flemming lanes on that condition but maybe if i had the right ball for that condition i would bowl a lot better but its not that easy for me like the top bowlers who are always in the top 3 they can just go out and get the right ball for that condition because they can afford it and just a question for belmo and george how often do you buy a new and up to date ball and also are they a maximum hook ball so in ending i will try a different line on the weekend and see how i go
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oh this is getting exciting isnt it. me and wayno been out doin a bit of fishing and i comes back to see this. oh darl dont think i know more than what i let out.
but as for your comment prosecutable by law hey. here where i come from we settle everything by a good ol shoot out. and when i say that i mean the shots. whisky shots. you beat me and ill keep me mouth shut. oh im just having a bit of a stir mate.
but for now. my comments young son will be wrapped up in bacon as they say out here. ill wait to see what happens. thanks for the tip about the ol coffs harbour ill steer clear of that one.
and sorry for upsetting you mr jason belmonty i reads a lot about you and you are one young superstar. i have a lot of admiration for you young chap. keep it up.
check ya :bullrider: dont mind a bit of this if i do say so meself! am i allowed to says this here. better check with ol wayno
tonx
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I'm as true blue as they come mate, but I understood about 10% of that post.... I think...
P.s. did anyone else try to read it and imagine a "Yokel" talking it out allowed? I thought it may have made more sense if I did that. It didn't. LOL
rychenroller
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I'm as true blue as they come mate, but I understood about 10% of that post.... I think...
Or more likely, 100% pisstake
Hammer
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She??? are you sure
bowlrig
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She might just be a good ol', bundy drinkin', ute drivin', roo shootin' country chick.
Rob
OK, she/he/it might be Rob, but after 6 posts (at this point in time) I'm already sick of seeing them in this thread. Go to the LOUNGE "Cheryl" if you want to stir s h i t or better still, MR Moderator where is :ban: Better members have been shut down for lesser c r a p and I don't think that cheap shots at GF or Belmo (or anybody else for that matter) is the purpose of TotalBowling. :giljotiini:
http://www.totalbowling.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=20990
I'm pretty sure that no such person exists...
I'm pretty sure that no such person exists...
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lenny marsden
Maybe someone can write a topic on how to read the output info of the Kegel machine.
From the left hand pattern I can see that there is a Xmas tree finishing at approx. 29 ft on the forward run and buffs to 40ft. On the return it starts oiling at 26 ft.
From this I could not tell where the oil is laid by density, that is obviously in the right hand numeric schedule but how do the numbers relate to the density of the oil laid. Also someone asked about how much was put down in ml, without knowing how to read the whole schedule then most of the 9.8ml put down on the reverse run could be in the first 5 ft of the lane.
If I looked at that topo pattern how do I tell how much oil is in the buff out area? That pattern looks to me that the oil stops at 29ft and that leaves 31ft to the headpin that is of unknown density. Even after the buff out there is still 19ft of "dry" backend to negotiate.
I have been a centre mechanic for 30 years now and I admit that I don't know the total ins and outs of setting a "good" condition because as Jason said there are so many variables in trying to condition a lane consistently. Even though the guys at Mooroolbark are going to run the same settings as 2 years ago this doesn't mean that the lanes may react the same as 2 years ago. Will the weather conditions be exactly the same, is the centre a/c working the same, will the humidity be the same and so on. And then, since 2 years ago how has the ball technology changed?
Conditioning lanes is not that easy! If every centre had its own full time lane man then every centre would still have its own condition.
Oh, and just to throw more into the mix, what happens once the ball hits the pins and starts throwing them around the deck area is another subject!
Regards,
Len.
From the left hand pattern I can see that there is a Xmas tree finishing at approx. 29 ft on the forward run and buffs to 40ft. On the return it starts oiling at 26 ft.
From this I could not tell where the oil is laid by density, that is obviously in the right hand numeric schedule but how do the numbers relate to the density of the oil laid. Also someone asked about how much was put down in ml, without knowing how to read the whole schedule then most of the 9.8ml put down on the reverse run could be in the first 5 ft of the lane.
If I looked at that topo pattern how do I tell how much oil is in the buff out area? That pattern looks to me that the oil stops at 29ft and that leaves 31ft to the headpin that is of unknown density. Even after the buff out there is still 19ft of "dry" backend to negotiate.
I have been a centre mechanic for 30 years now and I admit that I don't know the total ins and outs of setting a "good" condition because as Jason said there are so many variables in trying to condition a lane consistently. Even though the guys at Mooroolbark are going to run the same settings as 2 years ago this doesn't mean that the lanes may react the same as 2 years ago. Will the weather conditions be exactly the same, is the centre a/c working the same, will the humidity be the same and so on. And then, since 2 years ago how has the ball technology changed?
Conditioning lanes is not that easy! If every centre had its own full time lane man then every centre would still have its own condition.
Oh, and just to throw more into the mix, what happens once the ball hits the pins and starts throwing them around the deck area is another subject!
Regards,
Len.
down and in
revically challenged
to modify an old saying... with patterns, you can upset most of the bowlers most of the time, and you can please some of the bowlers some of the time, but why cant you piss everyone off at the same time..
