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Michael Little
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Hence why this system is in place so to speak, to give exposure to these patterns to at least prepare a little for when traveling OS. I think the problem is not always marrying the pattern to the centres conditions.
As I have said for juniors and open bowlers alike, education is the key.
dbcrow
Brookso
We run a Peterson league in Adelaide which rotates with different WTBA and Kegel Oil Patterns every 5-6 weeks. We're in the fortunate position that the AMF Centre is quite supportive of us and allows us to lay these patterns.
I'm not sure if there are other leagues like this around Australia, but if you wanted to get more experience in bowling in harder conditions, I'd suggest finding (or starting) a league like this and giving it a go.
Don't expect to be averaging much over 210 though
I like Robert Chinner are amazed at the number of NON Senior bowlers that want to make comment on this posting. At the Australian Open there wereover 40 bowlers that were 60 and over. Any bowler who is not at least 50 should not comment on what seniors need. When you reach 60+ and have arthritis in both hands, two crook shoulders, two knees that are shot and a back that is buggered then come and tell us what conditions you would like to bowl on. 98% of Seniors use these events as a chance to catch up with "old" friends, remember the good old days and share a few drinks. The easier the conditions the better at our age. Those seniors wanting to get OS conditions go and bowl in the Adult division "good luck".
Top Gun
Lord Field/Lane Masters/Legends Amateur Staffer
With my poor knowlege on the line conditions thought that you need to lay the same parten for at least 4 days in a row to get the right pattern lay down
My dream is to go to a tournament and actually bowl where the pattern hasn't been advertised.
Hi Belly
I disagree with your above statement Steve. I do not use these events to "catch up with "old" friends, I bowl these events to satisfy my competitive nature. Although these patterns are extremely difficult for a large number of bowlers and more so, the ladies, I would prefer to bowl a low average in a ranked event than a huge average on a house pattern. I get no personal rewards from bowling on house patterns and avoid doing so on a regular basis. On the rare occasions that my body and my brain allow me to bowl successfully in a tournament is, to me, an achievement.
A very large number of Seniors suffer injuries but still get up and bowl when we can hardly walk. I don't believe we do this "to remember the good old days and share a few drinks" we could do this as a spectator and not waste our money.
Yes, I have made some friends and we do enjoy catching up, which is a bonus, but we leave that until we are off the lanes. The Senior & Grand Senior Ladies may not outwardly display their competitiveness but I can assure you it is alive and thriving and believe that most would agree with this.
PS: To those that did not bowl at Keon Park: The pattern played as I expected it would and as far as I could ascertain was set as advertised
Regards Susanne
Brenton_Davy
900Global bowler
I had stayed away fron this topic but, well, here goes.
The problem most people had with the condition was that it was very unforgiving to minor variations in rotation and ball speed. Most bowlers, from my observations were using either very aggressive balls and/or very aggressive layouts. As a result most bowlers were suffering a lot of "over/under". I was fortunate enough to have with me a ball with a very weak layout that allowed me to have a bit more control of the "over/under". Anything laid out for quick reaction to friction was going to be difficult to control.
As for the condition, I thought it played different to what I expected. I usually have to play straight up 5 on this type of pattern, but I was swinging the ball considerably more than I had expected to. I feel there was too much friction at Keon Park for a short pattern and that the wear on the right side of the lane also affected the way the condition played. Most bowlers did not have the ball speed required to play hte condition either. As a final obstacle, the pins at Keon Park were virtually brand new which adversely affected the carry most players, especially those with slow ball speed, were able to achieve.
My 0.02c
The problem most people had with the condition was that it was very unforgiving to minor variations in rotation and ball speed. Most bowlers, from my observations were using either very aggressive balls and/or very aggressive layouts. As a result most bowlers were suffering a lot of "over/under". I was fortunate enough to have with me a ball with a very weak layout that allowed me to have a bit more control of the "over/under". Anything laid out for quick reaction to friction was going to be difficult to control.
As for the condition, I thought it played different to what I expected. I usually have to play straight up 5 on this type of pattern, but I was swinging the ball considerably more than I had expected to. I feel there was too much friction at Keon Park for a short pattern and that the wear on the right side of the lane also affected the way the condition played. Most bowlers did not have the ball speed required to play hte condition either. As a final obstacle, the pins at Keon Park were virtually brand new which adversely affected the carry most players, especially those with slow ball speed, were able to achieve.
My 0.02c
I am not advocating that the Seniors Pattern should be has hard as they have been but I do not believe an 11 to 1 house pattern is saying much for the skills of the Seniors.
Unless your a leftie at your home centre and need all the help you can get
I have always set an in between pattern at the Sydney Classic which is around 5 to 6:1, which has shown to be a reasonable compromise in the past.
Susanne
Unless your a leftie at your home centre and need all the help you can get
I have always set an in between pattern at the Sydney Classic which is around 5 to 6:1, which has shown to be a reasonable compromise in the past.
Susanne
strop
Elite Athlete
Not sure where you get the belittling from..........its simple.......let the adults scene have the competitive patterns......Why do the seniors need them.........and as for the sydney classic in the past well the 2 years I finished first and second, they were in my words...ditched up!.........As far as me bothering not bowling the seniors scene......well I changed my mind, I may still turn up to some.................Not sure where you you going with the leftie talk.......????
FRANKIE FOUR FINGERS
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Welcome backTony,we missed you :]
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