How CAn We Help Country Cup

[OTB]

Sorry Dave.
I don't like your format.

Geeeeez, it was just an idea!
No need to get personal.
It's not MY format.

Maybe some trials need to be done at a lineage of 40.
Let some people see what condition needs to be laid to have a hope of holding up for this long, or see what you'll be bowling on in games 5, 6 and beyond.

I'm not trying to shout it down here, but 8 games at 5 man teams using aggressive cover stocks (especially on timber lanes) = toast! Imagine school holiday conditions x 10.
Better start work on your back up or left handed shot Deano.

David

 

[Rikjpool]

While I hav never bowled in a CCup, but am hoping to try out next year, I think that the 2nd option in this poll is the best one here, based on all the things already said about it really. Make more sense than all the rest of them. Well thats my opinion anyway.

Rikki Pool

 

[cyclone]

Heh guys,
Option 2 would enable a lot more socialising between teams, and allow people to have proper sleep breaks. There is no reason why the lanes can`t be re-oiled after four games, this then allows EVERYBODY to bowl on the same conditions; it would only add 45 mins to the middle of the day where people could go and have a coffee break etc.
Even though Country Cup is gruelling, 8 games a day is hardly a Marathon effort. I am sure there are many among us who bowl other tournaments with at LEAST that many games; most of the Seniors tournaments are run in this manner and we are all OLD BUGGERS!!!!!
We also need to be mindful of partners and relatives who travel and bowl from the same centre, if they split the men and women it would be very difficult for several of us if we elected to run that option.
Let`s hope we can bring about something that most people would be happy with.
Cheers
Tracey F:console::gathering2:

 

[Deano]

Well if you would watch me bowl left handed dave you would send it into funny video's and probably win 1st prize. (Now theres a thought.)

I do agree though it does make it tough for the ones that can naturally hit a ball and even if you use the lesser bowling equipment to straighten your shot up there still will be the bowlers who dont have much work on the ball using agressive equpment which will still dry the lanes out.

Deano

 

[OTB]

Well if you would watch me bowl left handed dave you would send it into funny video's and probably win 1st prize. (Now theres a thought.)
I do agree though it does make it tough for the ones that can naturally hit a ball and even if you use the lesser bowling equipment to straighten your shot up there still will be the bowlers who dont have much work on the ball using agressive equpment which will still dry the lanes out.
Deano

Deano on funny home vids - cash in the skyrocket my friend!

I dont mind the 8 straight just no to 8 straight with no re-oil. Just too tough for the low rev and the high rev players.
It would make trials interesting, trial on toast on one trial day then flood the next?

 

[Gatsby]

PS That makes 12 votes in total, I wonder how representative that is of country cup bowlers through-out the state or are we just the noisy minority

It certainly is a minority that post, but not a minority that view these threads. Almost 60 people that bowled in this years country cup are regular members on total bowling and over 100 total bowling members have bowled at least one country cup.

A slight change to the number 2 option, for those that think we have to have an oil after 4.
Oil after 4, but still play the 8 straight. The day is then finished, for the squad to have a break and get ready for the next days bowling.
David

Mr Farky -- pros and cons to this amended idea.

Basically it will mean the same starting and finishing times that we currently have. The advantage would be that whoever bowls first would be off the lanes nice and early (i hear function being mentioned).

It also means the group that bowls second have a later start so on sunday and monday it would be a bigger gap from when they finish bowling to when they have to start again (that could be could or bad depending how you look at it)

A disadvantage would be one group finishes pretty early on the monday and then has to hang around for 6 hours or so for other group to finish (better hope a pub is close by). Plus late group Monday would check out of motel and have 3-4 hrs to fill in before time to bowl (if not staying the monday night)

It is probably the best compromise so far -- i think the "against" issues will be pretty minor compared to the plusses ... what do others think?

Friday seems to be losing momentum because it disadvantages some teams quite a lot (not to mention it would make the Friday bus trip a semi dry affair)

 

[Deano]

Well Dave bring the camera down next time i see you and get some footage. and We will go cash it in for the $100,000.

 

[Rama300]

Gatsby,

How about you turn the poll into a V Bookie and we can make some V Cash? Lol.

 

[bowlrig]

One other thing that we have to remember is that alot of the mid range or lower hooking balls are still super soakers rehashed from the last 10 years with different weight blocks, names ect. And as Travis said not all can afford 4, 5 or 6 balls.

40 games without a reoil is a bit on the silly side. At our marathon, 30 games per lane is starting to push the limit for all type of bowler, not just the top and bottom end.

The answer is out there people. Please do not knock anyone for trying.

If we throw all the options into the pot we will eventually come up with something.

Personally I think the format this year was not to bad.

As for the atmosphere, it will be hard to get that back to years gone by, alot of it was from the supporters that are not there anymore. I know that after most games my hands were red and tingling from hand slaps from my team mates, what about yours?

Rob

 

[Straight_kut]

One other thing that we have to remember is that alot of the mid range or lower hooking balls are still super soakers rehashed from the last 10 years with different weight blocks, names ect. And as Travis said not all can afford 4, 5 or 6 balls.
40 games without a reoil is a bit on the silly side. At our marathon, 30 games per lane is starting to push the limit for all type of bowler, not just the top and bottom end.
The answer is out there people. Please do not knock anyone for trying.
If we throw all the options into the pot we will eventually come up with something.
Personally I think the format this year was not to bad.
As for the atmosphere, it will be hard to get that back to years gone by, alot of it was from the supporters that are not there anymore. I know that after most games my hands were red and tingling from hand slaps from my team mates, what about yours?
Rob

No doubt there was atmosphere with in certain teams while they were bowling.

I think cost is the biggest factor hindering supporters, fuel, accom, the days off work. Also its pretty hard for non-bowling partners to sit and watch all day. And unfortunately i dont see that changing too much in the near future.

 

[ThEOnE]

One other thing that we have to remember is that alot of the mid range or lower hooking balls are still super soakers rehashed from the last 10 years with different weight blocks, names ect. And as Travis said not all can afford 4, 5 or 6 balls.
40 games without a reoil is a bit on the silly side. At our marathon, 30 games per lane is starting to push the limit for all type of bowler, not just the top and bottom end.
The answer is out there people. Please do not knock anyone for trying.
If we throw all the options into the pot we will eventually come up with something.
Personally I think the format this year was not to bad.
As for the atmosphere, it will be hard to get that back to years gone by, alot of it was from the supporters that are not there anymore. I know that after most games my hands were red and tingling from hand slaps from my team mates, what about yours?
Rob

Plastic is not that expensive is it? What about this, i am not a complete expert but you never know, Is it possible to toss 4 games and then oil the heads only? Would this still at least cut down the maintenance time for the one team bowling the 8 games or would it still take the 45 mins? It may be a compromise to the time factor give it a bit of a freshen up for the oil lovers.
Any comments?
Still with a full lane prep between ladies and men though.

 

[bowlrig]

Plastic is not that expensive is it? What about this, i am not a complete expert but you never know, Is it possible to toss 4 games and then oil the heads only? Would this still at least cut down the maintenance time for the one team bowling the 8 games or would it still take the 45 mins? It may be a compromise to the time factor give it a bit of a freshen up for the oil lovers.
Any comments?
Still with a full lane prep between ladies and men though.

We can wash and oil all 16 lanes here in 22 minutes, if I do just a reoil it takes about 18 to 20 minutes. So those with a Pheonix should be able to do the same.

I think most of the machines around these days can do just a reoil if required.
Those lucky enough to own a Kegel should be able to do both (correct me if I am wrong)

I think the lane maintenance is up to the individual centre as all have differing requirements.

Rob

 

[craig]

the tournament would run quicker if i didn't have to go looking for my stolen pens every 2nd or 3rd game

 

[Straight_kut]

the tournament would run quicker if i didn't have to go looking for my stolen pens every 2nd or 3rd game

atleast you know where to find them for next time

 

[Purple_Tweety]

I'll vote for option two please...

 

[Gatsby]

1) - 0 Votes
2) - 8 votes..... David Farky, Bryan Woza, Gary Black, Liz Grumpy, Gunther Grumpy, Graeme O'Connor, Paige Williams, Tracey Farky
3) - 0 Votes
4) - 0 Votes
5) - 0 Votes
6) - 0 Votes
7) - 2 Votes ... Rob Garioch, David Farky
8) - 0 Votes
9) - 0 Votes
10) - 3 Votes ..... Gary Black, Brian Walsh, Jason Motta
11) - 1 Vote ... Dean McKinnon
12) - 0 Votes

http://www.totalbowling.com.au/forum...7&postcount=44
Plus option 12 - no change

 

[gwhiting]

Hi everyone,
I am not a country bowler and enjoy reading the post on the country cup. I would like to make some comments as a neutral observer.
Everyone agrees that the country cup is one of the premier bowling events in Victoria. I have never been to one but they see by the comments that everyone who is involved enjoys it.
I think that all the leaving the event in much the same team format that it is at the moment is what everyone wants eg separate ladies and men teams of five.
The problem appears to be around whether the event is to big for most of the country centres.
It is great to be able to move the event around to the different centres but does an event like this deserve to be held in such conditions.
An example would be the AFL grand final. It could be held at Shell Stadium or AAMI Stadium but it is held at the MCG because this is the best place to hold it.
Having the country cup at the bigger country centres enables the men and ladies to bowl at the same time, has reasonable start and finishing times and enables the socialising to occur at the end of the day.
It is great for Victoria that we have fantastic ten pin bowling team events in both the city and country. In a couple of weeks the Victorian Presdient Shield team is haeding off to Queensland with a true state team. We have bowlers from different metropolitan centres as well as Geelong, Bendigo, Mildura and Albury.
Anywhy good luck with whatever changes are made. Hopefully I can could and watch the country cup in the future.
Regards
Glenn

 

[grumpie]

Hi everyone,
I think that all the leaving the event in much the same team format that it is at the moment is what everyone wants eg separate ladies and men teams of five.
The problem appears to be around whether the event is to big for most of the country centres.
It is great to be able to move the event around to the different centres but does an event like this deserve to be held in such conditions.
An example would be the AFL grand final. It could be held at Shell Stadium or AAMI Stadium but it is held at the MCG because this is the best place to hold it.
Having the country cup at the bigger country centres enables the men and ladies to bowl at the same time, has reasonable start and finishing times and enables the socialising to occur at the end of the day.
It is great for Victoria that we have fantastic ten pin bowling team events in both the city and country.
Regards
Glenn

I put forward a sugestion about 2-3 years ago (to a few people) that Ccup should be held in the bigger country centres where ladies and men could bowl at the same time. Also that those centres in turn should not get Senior, Junior Shield and Country champs and be given to the other centres in lieu of loosing Ccup.
The answer I got was from one person was There is no way that would ever happen you would be taking away from centres income.
I was talking to two board members and two centre owners at the time.

Grumpy

 

[Straight_kut]

Hi everyone,
I am not a country bowler and enjoy reading the post on the country cup. I would like to make some comments as a neutral observer.
Everyone agrees that the country cup is one of the premier bowling events in Victoria. I have never been to one but they see by the comments that everyone who is involved enjoys it.
I think that all the leaving the event in much the same team format that it is at the moment is what everyone wants eg separate ladies and men teams of five.
The problem appears to be around whether the event is to big for most of the country centres.
It is great to be able to move the event around to the different centres but does an event like this deserve to be held in such conditions.
An example would be the AFL grand final. It could be held at Shell Stadium or AAMI Stadium but it is held at the MCG because this is the best place to hold it.
Having the country cup at the bigger country centres enables the men and ladies to bowl at the same time, has reasonable start and finishing times and enables the socialising to occur at the end of the day.
It is great for Victoria that we have fantastic ten pin bowling team events in both the city and country. In a couple of weeks the Victorian Presdient Shield team is haeding off to Queensland with a true state team. We have bowlers from different metropolitan centres as well as Geelong, Bendigo, Mildura and Albury.
Anywhy good luck with whatever changes are made. Hopefully I can could and watch the country cup in the future.
Regards
Glenn

I think Jason Motta summed it up pretty well in a post on page 6 about the holding in a larger city centre with more lanes..
Why should they receive all the financial gains every year from holding the event.
And the participating country centres holding CC get a fair bit of money poured into their local economy over the duration of CC.

I personally thing it would be great to hold it in a central larger centre... EXCEPT for the fact they make a buttload of $$$ when the rest of our centres we are representing year after year miss out.

 

[Woza]

I have an additional alternative to option 2 - We still bowl 8 straight and 8 straight on Saturday and Sunday but on the Monday we revert backto the current alternative games of 3 - this save the team bowling first having to hang around half the day for presentation and also with people having to fill in time if they check out of their motel.

Also if there is a genuine concern about the lanes condition holding up then would it really matter if there was an lane maintenance interval after 4 games during an 8 game block.