Emerson Shield 2006
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rychenroller
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Its all about comfort zones
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
Having now looked at most of the results from the different zones, I have noticed that a couple of things were done differently in each zone. I reckon that a few new rules need to be added so that each zone is contested the same way. It is likely that the variances occurred because of there being no rules for certain issues so people just did what they thought was best. I also don’t think any of these are major issues because the same teams would still have qualified regardless, however it does have the possibility that down the track it could be the difference between a team making the final or missing out.
1) Byes - Some zones bowled the bye and had to beat a specific score, other zones the bye was not bowled and no points given.
2) Vacancy score – Some zones had a score of 169 for vacancy score, other zones used 170. There seems to be a bit of confusion there. We were told at our zone that it was 169 but to win the point you actually had to beat 169 – if you scored 169 that was considered a loss.
3) Some teams were able to “nominate” bowlers for the bye game – even though that game was not bowled. In effect it meant that if you wanted to, you could nominate your two weakest bowlers against the bye and therefore those two bowlers could get around the “half game” rule. ie they could actually bowl 3 out of 8 games but because they were nominated in both “bye” games (but did not actually bowl them) they would then be classified as having played 5 out 10.
4) There was also an instance where a bowler bowled 3 games and was then classified as injured during the fourth game. The ruling was that for the rest of the game he would get one tenth of his average for the rest of that game. Whilst that ruling actually favoured us, because the guy had only been averaging mid 150’s and we were playing against that team at the time, it would seem like a perfect rule to abuse. Let’s say a team had a guy that was averaging 210 for the first nine games and the lanes were drying out and the last game was probably going to be hard to score high. You could name the guy, get him to bowl one frame, say he was injured and then get a guaranteed 20 pins for the rest of the frames. I would think the injured player rule should probably be one tenth of the vacancy score per frame.
5) Again, to do with the injured player, but the 4th game (where he was injured) was counted towards his game count, and he did not bowl again. Therefore he only bowled in 4 out of 10 games. (A vacancy score should have been used as the fifth game) Whilst this did not effect the final outcome for the team in question (they did not qualify) it could have effected the outcome for other teams that were playing them.
6) Draft – It also appears that the draft system is a waste of time. Throughout the three zones, a total of 5 vacancy scores were used and no-one that nominated for the draft got to bowl.
What are other peoples opinions on what should have occurred in each of these instances and are there any other “grey” areas that anyone noticed. I know that there are official channels for all this to get fixed, but I am just curious as to what others think. My aim is to try to make Emerson shield even better than it is now by trying to fix the weaknesses – this is meant to be constructive criticism – not general “bagging”
1) Byes - Some zones bowled the bye and had to beat a specific score, other zones the bye was not bowled and no points given.
2) Vacancy score – Some zones had a score of 169 for vacancy score, other zones used 170. There seems to be a bit of confusion there. We were told at our zone that it was 169 but to win the point you actually had to beat 169 – if you scored 169 that was considered a loss.
3) Some teams were able to “nominate” bowlers for the bye game – even though that game was not bowled. In effect it meant that if you wanted to, you could nominate your two weakest bowlers against the bye and therefore those two bowlers could get around the “half game” rule. ie they could actually bowl 3 out of 8 games but because they were nominated in both “bye” games (but did not actually bowl them) they would then be classified as having played 5 out 10.
4) There was also an instance where a bowler bowled 3 games and was then classified as injured during the fourth game. The ruling was that for the rest of the game he would get one tenth of his average for the rest of that game. Whilst that ruling actually favoured us, because the guy had only been averaging mid 150’s and we were playing against that team at the time, it would seem like a perfect rule to abuse. Let’s say a team had a guy that was averaging 210 for the first nine games and the lanes were drying out and the last game was probably going to be hard to score high. You could name the guy, get him to bowl one frame, say he was injured and then get a guaranteed 20 pins for the rest of the frames. I would think the injured player rule should probably be one tenth of the vacancy score per frame.
5) Again, to do with the injured player, but the 4th game (where he was injured) was counted towards his game count, and he did not bowl again. Therefore he only bowled in 4 out of 10 games. (A vacancy score should have been used as the fifth game) Whilst this did not effect the final outcome for the team in question (they did not qualify) it could have effected the outcome for other teams that were playing them.
6) Draft – It also appears that the draft system is a waste of time. Throughout the three zones, a total of 5 vacancy scores were used and no-one that nominated for the draft got to bowl.
What are other peoples opinions on what should have occurred in each of these instances and are there any other “grey” areas that anyone noticed. I know that there are official channels for all this to get fixed, but I am just curious as to what others think. My aim is to try to make Emerson shield even better than it is now by trying to fix the weaknesses – this is meant to be constructive criticism – not general “bagging”
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
Lance - the web site is as updated as it can be for the results that i have (still missing most of the results from the east though)
http://gatsby.www5.50megs.com/Tenpin/Emerson/Emerson.html
http://gatsby.www5.50megs.com/Tenpin/Emerson/Emerson.html
Maybe Goldpin could sit down with bowlers from each zone and come up with a handbook with all these issues covered so it is the same across the board .
Many times things have been changed with this event , time to make everything black and white . Its a great event and a lot of hard work goes into it , just need to clear up the grey areas .
The guy to throw the big numbers at WERRIBEE will be Craig Ryan. Home center will see them over the line , 7 bowlers to ave over 200
Many times things have been changed with this event , time to make everything black and white . Its a great event and a lot of hard work goes into it , just need to clear up the grey areas .
The guy to throw the big numbers at WERRIBEE will be Craig Ryan. Home center will see them over the line , 7 bowlers to ave over 200
rychenroller
Active Member
Agree with the Craig comment mate, but not about the 7 averages over 200. Never seen it happen in the history of Dunn/Emerson shields...home centre or no. Five man team is a different animal than messing around in a roll-off...lots of different factors coming into play, bowlers getting cold...bowlers with huge amounts of pressure on them (self inflicted, or not), lanes breaking down much much faster...
Wow I've really convinced myself, wanna have somethin on it? :-$
rychenroller
Active Member
lol
self inflicted pressure, can you still buy that stuff
although i could volunteer to inflict some pressure on some respected peers
Yeah
Peters self inflicted pressure at Colac was a sight to behold...but you been there and done that
Craig Ryan
Member
CHRISSY said:
Thanks for the kind words, but you should be quiet!! I was happy flying under the radar
Looks like i'll be able to bowl this Monday. Personally can't wait, its been close to three weeks without touching a ball.
Haysey, keep some lanes free for me Tuesday. Need the practice in a tough house before East Coast.
I think the big talk come Emerson time will be relating to Porto. Can he recapture the BLIT?
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
HELP NEEDED!
Trying to gather as much data as possible from previous Emerson shields, but as Colac has only been involved since 2004, there is still a lot I don't know.
I have read through previous posts on total bowling and have come up with the following. Please let me know if this is correct (and add to it if you have any more info)
First Emerson in 2001 – was held at Mooroolbark (EFL)
Men’s Winners – EFL
Women’s Winners – Werribee
No zone roll offs – just a final – No of Teams competing ??? One round in final or two?
I know that EFL, Werribee and Mentone competed – who else?
2002 – Zone Finals
Eastern Zone at Rosebud – Rosebud, Mentone and ?????
Western Zone ??
Central Zone ??
Northern Zone??
2002 Final at Shepparton
Men’s Winners – EFL
Women’s Winners – Shepparton
No of teams competing in final - 8?
Men – EFL, Morwell, Werribee – who else?
Women Shep, - who else?
2003 Zone finals
Eastern Zone – Mooroolbark – EFL, Mentone???
Western Zone ??
Central Zone ??
Northern Zone??
2003 – Final held at Morwell
Men’s Winners – Geelong
Women’s Winners – Morwell
No of teams in final – 8?
Men – Geelong 1st, Morwell 3rd, Werribee – who else
Women – Morwell – who else.
Also can anyone tell me when the defending champs were automatic into following year? Did this happen when zones changed to from 4 to 3 in 2005?
I also read in the rules the Emerson shield is named after Alf Emerson – creator of Goldpin – does anyone know anything about that?
Any help would be appeciated
Regards
Trying to gather as much data as possible from previous Emerson shields, but as Colac has only been involved since 2004, there is still a lot I don't know.
I have read through previous posts on total bowling and have come up with the following. Please let me know if this is correct (and add to it if you have any more info)
First Emerson in 2001 – was held at Mooroolbark (EFL)
Men’s Winners – EFL
Women’s Winners – Werribee
No zone roll offs – just a final – No of Teams competing ??? One round in final or two?
I know that EFL, Werribee and Mentone competed – who else?
2002 – Zone Finals
Eastern Zone at Rosebud – Rosebud, Mentone and ?????
Western Zone ??
Central Zone ??
Northern Zone??
2002 Final at Shepparton
Men’s Winners – EFL
Women’s Winners – Shepparton
No of teams competing in final - 8?
Men – EFL, Morwell, Werribee – who else?
Women Shep, - who else?
2003 Zone finals
Eastern Zone – Mooroolbark – EFL, Mentone???
Western Zone ??
Central Zone ??
Northern Zone??
2003 – Final held at Morwell
Men’s Winners – Geelong
Women’s Winners – Morwell
No of teams in final – 8?
Men – Geelong 1st, Morwell 3rd, Werribee – who else
Women – Morwell – who else.
Also can anyone tell me when the defending champs were automatic into following year? Did this happen when zones changed to from 4 to 3 in 2005?
I also read in the rules the Emerson shield is named after Alf Emerson – creator of Goldpin – does anyone know anything about that?
Any help would be appeciated
Regards
Gary ,
In regards to the name of the event probably Joe at Ed Flemming might be able to help you out there.
If you need any info for Werribee PM me im sure i can help you out , i bowled in the first one and have been with the Werribee team to watch them each year .
Lance Dyer could be helpful with info about Ed Flemming
I do remember that in the first year the final round was positional
The All stars team for the women included Lisa Notman , Ann Bonning , Robyn Gray and im pretty sure Lee Booth as well. Tim Martin was the only Werribee bowler to make the mens All Stars
Chrissy
In regards to the name of the event probably Joe at Ed Flemming might be able to help you out there.
If you need any info for Werribee PM me im sure i can help you out , i bowled in the first one and have been with the Werribee team to watch them each year .
Lance Dyer could be helpful with info about Ed Flemming
I do remember that in the first year the final round was positional
The All stars team for the women included Lisa Notman , Ann Bonning , Robyn Gray and im pretty sure Lee Booth as well. Tim Martin was the only Werribee bowler to make the mens All Stars
Chrissy
Woza
Active Member
Eastern Zone Off the top of my head
Morwell didnt bowl 2001
2002 Zone Final - Bairnsdale - Mens Winners - Morwell and Narree Warren - Teams were Naree Morwell Sale Bairnsdale not sure about Rosebud but think that they were not in our zone then (originally their was four zones)
2002 State Final was at Shepp Mens winners Ed Flemming, Geelong, Morwell
2003 Zone Final - Sale - Mens Winners - Morwell and Naree Warren - same teams as 2002 bowled. Not sure if Bairnsadale bowled this year (cant remember when they closed)
2003 Final at Morwell Mens - Geelong, Warrnambool, Morwell, Womens Morwell
2004 Zone Final - Naree - Mens Winners Morwell and Naree Warren. Teams were Morwell, Naree, Sale, Rosebud (this is the first time in our zone that i can remember)
2004 State Final Geelong Mens- Melton, Geelong
This was the first year of automatic entry into the state final for the winner and the zones were revamped from 4 to 3 with each zone having the top 3 go through to the final
2005 Zone Final - Rosebud winners Naree, Ed Flemming, Rosebud teams competing Naree, Rosebud, Ed Flemming, Morwell, Mentone (sale in our zone but no team)
Hope this helps
