Country Cup 2006

[Woza]

I wonder how many times bowlers had pulled out with one or two games to go to look after their average? (I am sure it is not very often, but i bet it has happened).

It has happened more often than you think. Greg Smith bowled a a low game in the last round of 2004. - Cost him All-Stars but he won a mens and overall medallion. At that stage we could not lose the overall but still could have lost the mens - Best team was in - Allstar chances not even up for discussion.
I know of people who dont have a chance of winning their division or overall and have sat out to be in All-Stars.

Look forward to hearing other peoples comments as I am sure not everyone will agree. A question i would ask is -- what would you prefer -- a winning medal -- or an allstars medal.
PS - This is not a push to scrap allstars teams, just an argument that maybe they are an added extra - like winning the high tournament game prize and should not be treated as the be all and end all.

8 Country Cups - 2 mens medallions, 1 overall - No allstars - I always go away to win not go away to make allstars. Allstars would be a nice reward for a good weekends bowling though.
I cant answer that question as I have never been an allstar but someone like Lisa who is in the allstars neraly every year can maybe best answer that question as to whether she would trade them all in to have won the womens division last year - Hope Im not putting to much pressure on you Lisa
I know Webby was pretty emotional after winning his first mens medallion in 2004 after how 12+ years
If you have a look at Walter De Veer results and they have two player rankings - 1 is based on average and the other is based on points won
In the end if you are going away to win an allstars spot then to me you are bowling in the wrong tournament.

 

[Carmers]

I go away with the vision of winning the Overall and Mens, if they scrapped the all stars it would not change the passion that drives me at CC. I was very lucky that the first year I made CC, we won the Overall, Men, Womens and had 4 All Stars and saw the only 300 in CC bowled, but enough about that hey Gatsby?

 

[Gatsby]

I go away with the vision of winning the Overall and Mens, if they scrapped the all stars it would not change the passion that drives me at CC. I was very lucky that the first year I made CC, we won the Overall, Men, Womens and had 4 All Stars and saw the only 300 in CC bowled, but enough about that hey Gatsby?

Ouch -- driving pain in the chest area.... feeling anxious... can't breath...... deep breaths..... remember the psychiatrist said deep breaths.....

Ps - As i said earlier - not pushing to scrap Allstars - just pointing out that maybe we talk about (me included ) Allstars too much. Most bowlers are aiming at winning trophy - Allstars is a bonus.

 

[Carmers]

That is correct, I mean at the end of the day, you go away tp win the cup, thats not actually a cup come to think of it, the All Stars is just a bonus at the end of it.

 

[Woza]

Suggestion for Allstars

All players are given two sets of rankings

Highest ave ranked from 1 to whatever - Highest ave ranked 1, 2nd highest ranked 2 etc

Most points ranked from 1 to whatever - Most points ranked 1, 2nd highest ranked 2 etc. In the event for a tie they can either resort back to highest ave for rankings or awarded points based on position. Ie 3 way tie for first the top 3 all get ranking 1 the next ranking is 4 to the 4th ranked person

Allstars is awarded to the 5 bowlers that have the lowest combined ranking score. In the event of a tie you could use the ave ranking to determine the top 5

Ie If Bowler "A" has 5th highest ave but is ranked 2nd in points won - Total ranking is 5+2 = 7

Bowlers would not be sitting out to protect their average as they may slip down the points won ranking. This system I feel would reconise the top 5 overall bowlers at CCup

If I am not wrong the allstars is written up in the constitution so therefore it can only be changed at an AGM.

 

[Nic Nic]

I have made all stars twice, won 2 womens, 2 overalls](*,)

The only good thing about making all stars is that you know you can bowl one of the 5 highest ave. the cup is about winning points so I reckon that we should get something together for the AGM and get it changed to something very close to what Woza come up with.

I was a captain last year and one of my bowlers didn't want to bowl last game against the bye to protect her ave.

 

[Gatsby]

Probably not the end of the world not to want to bowl against a bye when a point is guaranteed, but as i said earlier, people do sometimes want to protect averages.
I don't think we need to change the allstars format, i just think it's importance should be downgraded. We have had the same system for 24 years so why change?

 

[Purple_Tweety]

Change can be as good as a holiday as they say.

Coming up with ideas may lead to the one that can solve the allstar status.

I do agree that the ultimate prize is the 'cup'. And although I would never knock back the chance to be an all star it is not what I bowl for either.

Shepparton women have won a lot of cups in their division over the years and they have also had many all stars but its not them who are remembered years down the track it is when we won.

We've had allstars and no trophy, last year at emerson we had one all star and won the division werribee had two or three all stars and came second, average isn't everything, it is still a team effort!!

 

[Assassin_300]

All Stars would be good,winning overall would be good,Winning our Division after Ahhmmm...17 Years would be (well most of you know what I would add here)......

Thinking about it though Logically you would think the highest average would win the most points having the highest games,but I know its not always so

Cheerz
Kevin

 

[cbheat2]

All Stars would be good,winning overall would be good,Winning our Division after Ahhmmm...17 Years would be (well most of you know what I would add here)......
Thinking about it though Logically you would think the highest average would win the most points having the highest games,but I know its not always so
Cheerz
Kevin

If only it was 17 years for the Bendigo men, atleast that would mean we finally won. :cry: I have only bowled in about 4 ccups but have always thought that winning your divison and overall were the main reason you went, not trying to get into the All-stars.
Craig Bramley

 

[AnnasBoy]

Just off the current topic a little, I have heard a strong, strong rumor that Carmers will indeed be dressing "down", as u may call it, for the Country Cup, and going as none other than the great man Joseph Dirt. Any truth in this rumor Carmers?

 

[Carmers]

Well the mullet is in progress.

 

[Gatsby]

Annas boy seems very pre-occupied by what is going on with your hair Carmers.... wasn't he the one that posted the "mullhawk" comment in the Emerson thread?

 

[Carmers]

Seems that is correct. What can I say, I have good hair I guess. Geez now I have said that I am going to have to come up with something good for CC huh?

 

[Gatsby]

Geez now I have said that I am going to have to come up with something good for CC huh?

Yep - and you only have about 5 months to think about it -- i am sure your many Total Bowling friends will have many suggestions for you --- just ask Paige how helpful everyone is when it comes to suggestions

 

[Purple_Tweety]

Suggestions?!! pfft

It was a crusade to rope me into something!! And it worked. lol

Don't get sucked in Andrew, don't trust them for a second, unless you're going to look worse than me then I say go for it!!

How's that costume coming along?

 

[Carmers]

The costume has just been moving along nicely. Would I listen to these people Miss Paige? Now that I dont know about, maybe I should maybe I shouldn't. I will hold off on taking suggestions until the post is dying.

I am sure that I also dont need much help to get into trouble. Lol.

 

[AnnasBoy]

I do tend to be a bit obsessed with Carmers's hairstyles. What can I say, it's definitely a talking point with him. He's had that many different styles over the years, I am always looking forward to his newest and latest designs.

 

[Gatsby]

I guess he is lucky to have choices ... lol
I have grey or not grey ... or
thin or thinner

 

[LouLou]

Hey Guys
Just want 2 wish everyone good luck and high scoring.
just remember it's all about having fun while ur bowling.
now well done 2 woza coz i used 2 bowl with him and the rest of poeple in the team.
well done again.
\\/ Louise \\/