Country Cup 2006

Woza said:
All of them Right Handers by any chance;)
Do i really need to answer that? Of course they were all right handers .. lol
Lowest score in 2003 in Colac by a leftie was 126.

(I will let a few more people guess the low series before i tell you if your predicted range is low / high or spot on)
 
Lowest women's games i have records for
77 - 1981 (Latrobe valley)
81 - 2002 (Sale & District)
86 - 1997 (Warrnambool)

for the men
80 - 2003 (Ballarat & Bairnsdale)
87 - 1990 (Sale)
91 - 2003 (Sale & District)

Some of those scores are hard to believe - esp from one of the best seven bowlers in an association.
Anyone interested in low series results?
 
Gatsby said:
Lowest women's games i have records for
77 - 1981 (Latrobe valley)
81 - 2002 (Sale & District)
86 - 1997 (Warrnambool)
for the men
80 - 2003 (Ballarat & Bairnsdale)
87 - 1990 (Sale)
91 - 2003 (Sale & District)
Some of those scores are hard to believe - esp from one of the best seven bowlers in an association.
Anyone interested in low series results?

A few people at the bowl last night thought that I was close to the mark so they havent put up any suggestions
 
Woza said:
Mens lowest series (i give a range between 670-720) 134-144 team ave
Ladies lowest series (640-690) 128-138 team ave
Both estimates too high. Men's lowest is lower than women's lowest
Women's lowest was Latrobe valley in 1981 (it was actually the game that included the 77 score)
Men's low game was in Colac 2003 (the highest game was 148 and included an 80)
 
slugga said:
Gatsby,
How about some lowest winning scores, both teams and individual ?
sunraysia men 7pts with a 736 game (147 ave)
Bendigo women 5pts with a 618 series
more results later
 
Gatsby said:
Both estimates too high. Men's lowest is lower than women's lowest
Women's lowest was Latrobe valley in 1981 (it was actually the game that included the 77 score)
Men's low game was in Colac 2003 (the highest game was 148 and included an 80)

Bendigo women 5 points with a 618

Lowest women - 590-600

Mens even lower 570-590

I was way off the mark
 
Woza,
Women's lowest games
609 - Latrobe Valley 1981
618 - Bendigo 1981 (actually won 5pts vs 609 game above)
637 - Latrobe Valley 1990

Men's lowest games
594 - Ballarat 2003 (scores of 80, 104, 115, 131 & 164)
630 - Sale 1990
664 - Sale 1990



Slugga - i don't have a lot of head to head individual game scores - i will pluck out the high losses and the low wins from what i have.
 
I am waiting for your mind to overload at any minute Gatsby. Lol.

Still impressing with the stats.

Good work.
 
I have an individuall low game win for you,from your hometown Gatsby when we were there last

Greame Arnold 123 (I think but I'm sure it was in the 120's)and won, the team voted he sit out the next one but because he was a playing Manager he said he should stay in and I quote....

"Its not the score that counts but I won the point so I am Staying In"

He went on to lose his next game with a 130 something

And why do you guys keep bringing up the 5,7,10 its driving me to :drinking: :drinking: :drinking:

Cheerz
Kevin
 
Carmers said:
I am waiting for your mind to overload at any minute Gatsby. Lol.
Still impressing with the stats.
Good work.
I don't know about gatsby's mind overloading but mine just about is trying to remember half of the stats that have been posted here. :silly:
 
Dare I say it!!

But I did win a game on a 124 at Morwell and then lost on a 185 the next round when I played the same person!!

Shhh don't tell anyone!! But I did get dropped after my 124 as I should even though I did win. :D :p
 
From memory, last time CC was in Sale, there was a guy from LV that bowled 98 and backed it up with an 88 I think, I can remember Ray Taylor hanging shit on him over breakfast. Could be wrong, was just a wee tacker back then.
 
well kev he is right

the point is gold, i'd rather win with a 199 then lose with a 299

me in my acute ways will say this

the all stars team should be made up of the top 5 highest point winners

lol, then see how many people will be refusing to bowl at positions 2, 3 and 4 ;)
 
Assassin_300 said:
I have an individuall low game win for you,from your hometown Gatsby when we were there last
Greame Arnold 123 (I think but I'm sure it was in the 120's)and won, the team voted he sit out the next one but because he was a playing Manager he said he should stay in and I quote....
"Its not the score that counts but I won the point so I am Staying In"
He went on to lose his next game with a 130 something
And why do you guys keep bringing up the 5,7,10 its driving me to :drinking: :drinking: :drinking:
Cheerz
Kevin

Like you need an excuse;)
 
craig said:
well kev he is right
the point is gold, i'd rather win with a 199 then lose with a 299
me in my acute ways will say this
the all stars team should be made up of the top 5 highest point winners
lol, then see how many people will be refusing to bowl at positions 2, 3 and 4 ;)
Cant argue here points win tournaments pinfall count for didly squat.
Even on the event of a tie for 1st it is still a 1 game playoff
Positions 2,3,4 easy - I dont necessarily agree with that. There are no easy games in CCUp.
Looking at your highest percentage winners over the years from Garys list and out of the top 10 greater than 60% of those bowlers bowl either 1 or 5 a majority of the time.
That is a fair percentage considering that 2,3 & 4 are the "easier" psoitions and based on your assumptions you would have thought that they would fill the top 20 positions.
 
Carmers said:
I am waiting for your mind to overload at any minute Gatsby. Lol.
Fortunately i have all of the info in a database and it is not too hard to calculate requests. My mind is quite vacant and it is easily overloaded. I have quoted two stats from my memory in this thread and both were wrong -- safer to rely on the database:rolleyes:
 
I have very limited results of head to head matches. Whilst i have all scores from some years i don't have who they bowled against etc. I have a total of 1445 games for Men and 1386 games for women. These are mostly from 1981, 1989 and Warrnambool and Colac scoresheets.
The lowest scores i can find that won points are generally against the bye.
Two Warrnambool guys bowled 116 and 127 to win against the bye and in the women i have scores of 104, 108, 110, 111 over the last 3 years against the bye (makes for a good argument for not bowling against byes!)
The lowest head to head i have is 1990 - Mildura. Stephen Wines +(War) 121 bt David McEwan (Ben) 120 (David also had the high Men's game that year with a 248 )
For the women - H Booth (Ben) 107 bt Latrobe Valley 77 in 1981.
As i said - very limited info on this one.

Re winning points with low games etc, (For what it's worth) I actually agree with Kev's argument on this one. Whilst i agree the most important thing is to win your point, you should not be automatically be guaranteed next game if you win with a bad game. It is likely that if you are bowling badly, your next game will also be bad. I bet not too many people get dropped after bowling 230 and losing... so why should someone get a game just because they win with a 120 etc.

On the second point (Craig's point re Allstars team for bowlers with most points). I would ask what purpose does having an All Stars team serve? It seems that we go away to win the trophy as a team - not individual glory. It was set up originally so that the All stars team would be entered in Victorian championships as the "country allstars". A good concept that never really took off as you had bowlers who had not bowled together bought together for championships and some bowled with a passion and some never took it too seriously at all. I wonder how many times bowlers had pulled out with one or two games to go to look after their average? (I am sure it is not very often, but i bet it has happened). In my opinion the Allstar "TEAM" is the one that holds up the trophy at the end of the event. The actual allstars team is really just bragging rights and a way for us to work out who have been the best bowlers over the years. It also gives bowlers in lower teams something extra to strive for when they have no chance of winning.
Look forward to hearing other peoples comments as I am sure not everyone will agree. A question i would ask is -- what would you prefer -- a winning medal -- or an allstars medal.
PS - This is not a push to scrap allstars teams, just an argument that maybe they are an added extra - like winning the high tournament game prize and should not be treated as the be all and end all.
 
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