New bowling association???

[Shaun24]

I know this sounds really stupid but if this website is trying to give funds back to sports, be it bowling or whatever sport, then y is there not a single picture of sport on the site.

Is the site trying to get genral public to enter, cause i know when i first whent there i had no idea it had anything to do with sport.

Just a website suggestion there

 

[wchester]

C'mon Andrew, I know you're smarter than that!
It's pretty certain that this scheme is illegal and that's the bottom line.

 

[janm]

Dear Andrew, you state that Frank is not employed by the TBA, but anyone visiting the official TBA website would draw an obvious conclusion that seeing his name is under National Awards And Tournament Accreditation that he is a TBA representative.If you click on the National Awards link it takes you to a page that tells us "National Awards Sports-Corporate-Industry Awards recognition and Merchandise coming soon."
Is this a TBA site or a site promoting National Awards a business owned by the Chairperson of TBA, June Voukolos.
Ross Morton
using Jan's login

 

[BlobOn]

I have looked at the site. there is no license numbers on the site for any states. (like when you see people having a lottery of some sort they say at the end "SA license number ta4343" or some shit.

i would like to know how many members you have so far

 

[janm]

further to my last post Andrew you stated that

TBA has not supported the sydicate 52 venture in ANY way other then wishing them the best of luck. The board of TBA is not involved in this venture. Frank is not employed by TBA.

The following is an official extract from the ASIC database
BUSINESS NAME EXTRACT - Queensland
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Business Name SYNDICATE 52
Registration No BN18195726
Business Status REGISTERED
Date Registered 23 AUGUST 2002
Date Commenced 01 OCTOBER 2002
Nature of Business CLUBS AND ASSOCIATIONS FUNDING AND SPONSORSHIP
Renewal Date 23 AUGUST 2003
Principal Place of Business (current)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 6/69 GEORGE STREET BEENLEIGH QLD 4207 AUSTRALIA
Start Date 23 AUGUST 2002
Postal Address (current)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address PO BOX 239 BEENLEIGH QLD 4207 AUSTRALIA
Start Date 23 AUGUST 2002
Person(s) carrying on Business (current)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name KOSZTAN, FRANK JOSEF
Birth Date ******
Birth Place PENRITH NSW
Start Date 23 AUGUST 2002

Name VOUKULOS, JUNE ELIZABETH
Birth Date ******
Birth Place ADELAIDE SA
Start Date 23 AUGUST 2002

This would appear to differ from the statement in your post. Just wondering if this is a mistake by ASIC or if you just weren't informed like the rest of us bowlers seem to be.
I have removed some personal details even though they are on public record, that being birth dates and addresses.
Further more I believe June Voukolos should immediatley stand down from her position as chairperson of TBA and the Board of Directors of the TBA should launch an immediate open and public investigation into this whole affair.
Ross Morton
still using Jans login

 

[wchester]

I do hereby nominate myself for the position of Chairperson of the TBA

Wayne Chester

 

[DrewC]

New Association

Cool, then we can send our 'superstars' to the PBA...that'll fix tournament bowling in Aus right up! :?
What would be the second thing on your agenda?

 

[bowlrig]

can of worms been opened up here maybe.

i forsee lot's of questions being asked over this one.

kinda reminds me of the way things used to operate with the ATBC.

you only get told what "they" think we need to know.

Keep digging Ross, never know what you might find.

 

[milkman]

The "Constitution" page on the Sydnicate52 webpage is an extremely good read.

I dont know about other states in Australia, but in Victoria, you need a Minor Gaming permit to hold a competition with prizes over the value of $5000. The permit number must be listed on the webpage at all times. I am under the impression that this is the case for other states as well.

I believe quite a few "memberships" have already been sold. I wonder if these are void if a gaming permit has not been acquired. I wonder what the Victorian Casino and Gaming Authority would have to say about that.

Anyone who has purchased a Syndicate 52 "membership" dare to own up?

 

[wchester]

Drew...First thing on my agenda would be to see that the TBA made no more empty promises. I'd ensure that the "NEW" TBA delivered on it's awards, prize money, accreditations etc etc on time !
How's that for a start?

 

[Andrew S.]

I have to wonder why Frank has his name on the website but June does not.
This would appear to be a very deliberate attempt to conceal her involvement.

 

[Sean M]

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
hahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[GeorgeF]

Can anyone say the words, REVOLUTION!

I think this is the start of an ongoing saga in which heads will roll and people will be dragged through dirt. Maybe it is a blessing in disguise as I have no doubts the actions and involvements of all board of directors of TBA will be investigated.

I can confirm that the ACCC has been notified and will be investigating the matter where they see fit. Especially the part about no permits in each relative state which at this stage make any draw or lottery invalid.

I do agree that June's name which was not on the website was a direct attempt at conceiling her involvement.

By the way, whats the deal when an organisation wants a management turn over?? Does anyone know any constitutional rules which relate to directors losing there positions??

 

[RobbieB]

Rather than throw maybes around, I have sent an email to the Queensland Office of Gaming Regulation asking for a ruling on the legal status of this operation. While there does seem to be an odour of something fishy about this, looking at the source the problem is likely to simply be typical incompetance rather than nefarious intent. And if it is legal, we'll all have to eat pie - except for Frank using the email list, of course, which was very ill advised.

Anyone else interested in poking a stick into the nest, the email address is:

compliance@qogr.qld.gov.au

Cheers.

 

[rossm]

Legalities aside the bigger issue i feel is the perception of TBA involvement, when both syndicate 52 and National Awards are privately owned businesses.
National Awards is owned by the chairperson of the TBA, she is also listed as one of the persons carrying on the business of syndicate 52 along with Frank. I have been told the TBA board were aware of her involvement with Syndicate 52 ,but that she had agreed to cease her involvement and the business registration had not been updated.An oversight perhaps?
Business registration of both National Awards and Syndicate 52 list the same principal place of business and the same postal address.
Frank is still shown as the owner of the TBA egroups email list so while he may not be employed by the TBA it could still appear to many people that he is.
National Awards has a link to a pending website on the TBA contact page and Frank is also listed under awards and tournament accreditation. There is no mention that June is the owner of National Awards.

It would be a reasonable assumption that people could join Syndicate 52 under the impression it is somehow part of or endorsed by the TBA.
I still can't understand why the emails, why not post a full explanation and details on the forum with a link to the site.
I still think June should stand down, as of 7:11am today she was still listed as one of the persons carrying on the business of syndicate 52 and oversight or not the board of the TBA had apparently been told she had ceased her involvement.
Ross M

 

[Chris Smith]

I have been drawn in to reply to this topic due to the short term / long term damage that is being caused to bowling due to the mainly negative posts concerning syndicate 52, and TBA.

I first heard of the proposal 3-4 weeks ago and thought at last someone was thinking outside the typical solution to the funding problems associated with bowling. The person (not frank) who told me was enthusiastic and beleived in syndicate 52, and explained all the benefits that could come to bowling. My reply , "put me down for 3." (To date I have purchased none)

Enter Frank:

I feel sorry for the person who came up with the idea and for bowling's sake hope that June was not the one who recommended Frank's involvement. I also beleive that June's involvement is a conflict of interests in her current role. (If not at least unethical.)

If syndicate 52 has proper authority to operate I feel the only problem associated with syndicate 52 is Frank and June's involvement.

If syndicate 52 has not the proper authority to operate this could probable be blamed on Frank as he is obviously the front man and possibly should have dotted the I's and crossed the T's.

The use of the emails by Frank should not have happened but does happen by alot of business bodies accross the world, but most propably by the dishonerable ones.

I believe it is time to allow Frank to explain His and June's possible involvement and also tell us all what approvals have indeed been obtained and if this is legal. If syndicate 52 is legal, Frank and June should resign from the company if only to give the idea a go. There is currently not a balanced view being put on this forum without the right to reply. (Frank knows who i am and there is no love lost between us)

The post regarding Franks daughter should never have happened and should be withdrawn, I dont beleive she is part of this debarcle. Lets face it, Frank is her father. If you have a problem with her tell her to her face, dont use this subject to bag her.

It is my opinion that Andrew Frawleys post is correct in that the Board of TBA is not involved. Junes possible involvement is outside the TBA Boards control but is indeed unfortunate.

Sorry for the long post.

Regards

Chris Smith. :shock: :? 8) :lol: :x :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink:

 

[Andrew S.]

You want a balanced view ?
Balance this.
If this scheme goes ahead Frank and/or June will be responsible for the banking and the distribution of prizemoney. Do you have any possible concept of how disasterous that would be?
Ask a junior how long he or she had to wait for their Nationals prizemoney last year. We're now starting to see posts appear regarding this years adult prizemoney.
League awards with held for months, awards paid for in one lump sum at the start of the year. And if, God help us, a member of the great unwashed general public should win a prize in this lottery, what chance will the poor sod have ? It won't be Franks front door they are knocking down, it will be the office of Tenpin Bowling Australia.
In the early days of the TBA Yahoo site, I posted a heavy duty complaint about the sloppy handling and delays in paying out Junior prizemoney. You know what Franks response was ?
He deleted my post.
Thats your balance for you.

 

[Andrew Frawley]

Wow this thing is starting to sound like the biggest cover up since Watergate.
Do any of you that have posted with a negative really understand the concept? (cause if you do can you explain it to me)
George, do you really think that these people would start something that has not been legally ratified...mate you are by far the greatest crap stirrer in bowling I guess that's why I like you.

The truth is coming out slowly.....June V was involved (mind you with 5 other directors of sydicate 52) she had a misguided view and honestly thought she was doing the right thing for the sport. When she was reminded that bowling is full of persons that think that board members are only in it for the money...she informed Syndicate 52 and the regulatory bodies that she was no longer involved. Congrats to the detectives out there for digging in and finding out all that old information. Blame slow updating of computer records for you misinformation.

If you think June is making a killing out of National awards, you guys are severly mistaken. She can barely make wages....wages which TBA cannot afford under budgets set by the Trust, that is why TBA does not operate the awards section....not because June set herself up to by the queen of the chevron empire. June lent $10,000 of her own money to kick the thing off and I cannot see TBA finding the money to run the operation in the forseable future.

Finally will somebody please teach that Andrew Shinnie guy to read:
TENPIN BOWLING AUSTRALIA IS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY WAY TO SYNDICATE 52, THAT MEANS NOT IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN WISHING THE CONCEPT ALL THE BEST.

REMARKABLY, THE MAIN FORCE BEHIND SYNDICATE 52, BARRY DAVIES STILL WANTS BOWLING TO GET A DECENT SLICE OF ANY PROFITS FROM THE CONCEPT. EVEN MORE SURPRISING IS THE CONCEPT IS WELL UNDER WAY SELLING IN MOST STATES OF AUSTRALIA.

Guys, get down to your centre and throw a few practice balls, some of you must have way too much time on your hands. Maybe one of you will make your State team and never have to pay for it, maybe you could bowl for $10,000 bucks to win the Syndicate 52 cup...........there is no conspiracy going on here, what I see is some mismanagement by the operators and Frank knows my feeling about that and the email addresses.

If you don't want to buy a membership.......don't.
AF

 

[Dave]

SPAM

SPAM,

A lot of you know that I provide the space on the Internet for Tenpin bowling sites and whatever else. I have many sites on our servers. This brings me to an alarming note!! If someone reports syndicate52 or another site hosted by me for spamming then we will all loose out as these sites are all on my network. When a website gets reported for Spam they black ban the IP number of the mail server, not the website itself, so please think hard before you report anyone that may be hosted by me... It will affect us all.
I hate SPAM more than anyone, I put up with hundreds of SPAM emails everyday, if I thought Syndicate52 or anyone else deliberately Spammed I would shut them down straight away.

I have spoken to Frank and explained to him that what he did was wrong, he apologized to me and I believe he did it without a real understanding of what Spam really is.. As far as I am concerned it was a mistake that cannot be reversed now.. So lets move on from the Spam thing. Graham and I will be looking at ways to stop this from happening again.

I urge you all to read this point::
WHAT IS SPAM?
In the case of electronic mail, Spam is any electronic mail message that is:

A: Transmitted to a large number of recipients; and
B: Some or all of those recipients have not explicitly and knowingly requested those messages.

It does not matter what the content of the message is. It can be an advertisement for a commercial product, a solicitation for donations by a charity, or a religious pitch by somebody intent on saving your soul. If it meets the two criteria above, it is Spam.

SYNDICATE52
This is my input on this subject, it is not biased in any way.

We are all living to make money, having said that I believe the only way that the Bowling industry is going to reap benefits is if someone makes some money, it is the biggest motivator of all.

If syndicate52 is set-up correctly, then who cares if they make money. I say, if they put a % of the money back into this sport then its a good thing. If it succeeds then more people will do it and so the ball grows and as it gets bigger, bigger bits fly off, and this sport will grow..

Syndicate52 may not be the answer, then again, we all know it well already don't we? So who knows.

Regards
Dave

 

[Sarah300]

From what I have read about this Sydicate 52, the prize structure is based on 50000 participants. Well, if you think about it I would think that they will get NO where near 50 000 participants.

Just wondering as well but if you do
52 x 50 000 gives you $ 2 600 000
now subtract the "DAILY"draws $200 x 365 gives you $73 000
18 000 car each month x 12 gives you $216000
Cruise at Xmas Time $ 20 000

Plus Time To Time "Promotional" Draws.

That would still leave a hefty amount of money........

In fact in excess of 2 million dollars.

But could someone answer me is this all going to bowling even if it doesnt it breaks up into 20 sports that still leaves bowling $100 000. Now we are talking alot of money.

This is just my opinion but somehow I do not think the people involved will get the support, however I wish them the best of luck

Sarah