The $100K was the prize purse for both the mens and the ladies Masters tournament. Those bowlers who didn't place masters entries in wouldn't have funded the masters, they funded the prizemoney for all the other placing events (Teams, doubles, singles, mixed events, through all the grades) with a fee for T.B.A management costs and lineage. (With the exception of Rachuig and such events held at the same time) Whether AMF made money or not, whether they put in the full $100K or not shouldn't detract from the event that it was but if not for AMF, I don't think this event would be where it is today. In my opinion, I can only see this tournament getting bigger...
50th Nationals Interesting Figures.
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Michael Little
Active Member
I don't think there was anything spiteful in my post whatsoever, I haven't resorted to name calling like some others and I do believe IMO that quite a lot of your posts are ignorant, filled with non positive content designed to stir people up. Maybe I am responding to that, maybe not, but I am trying to understand what the purpose of your original post is, you still haven't responded to that. Noone says everyone has to agree on each topic but if you can't post something constructive or that generates a healthy discussion, then what is the point? And I have no problem with people being called out if they have posted, stated and actioned something wrong. Much like I have no problem with Steve calling me out for being too broad in my generalisations about the old ATBC, whilst some truth in what I was saying, I did word it poorly and cast aspersions incorrectly.
I still can't really see where anyone has posted or said to the effect that the Nationals were not an important event, and I am sorry, but the tone, comments and intent of your post does infer that you believe Cara should have been there all the time rather than attending other industry meetings that were related to the sport and do have some significance on a holistic level. Is it not perceivable that in this case, re the Commonwealth Games, that those involved are not just from the sport of bowling and probably don't even realise we have our premier event on? As I said, it is the real world and there are other things going on as well. If you ran a business and you were doing business with your number 1 biggest customer, would you ignore your other smaller customers totally or would you devote some time to those smaller customers to keep all aspects of the business running?
I still also don't get the hang up on AMF putting in $100k, it is not mentioned anywhere that this is the case, but that is merely the prizefund for the event. And they are a business, designed to make money, shock horror.
Has there been any other tournament of late which has generated as much interest as The Australian Masters and Nationals. I think this tournament has injected some enthusiam back into tournament bowling in Australia. You only need to look at the work of others on this forum who by their actions are party to the second richest event in this country.
So I guess it would now be... Two big tournaments.
Having said that, I would like to see more state championship based tournamnets run through the year for Junior's...
So I guess it would now be... Two big tournaments.
Having said that, I would like to see more state championship based tournamnets run through the year for Junior's...
Michael Little
Active Member
I think the majority of George's post on page 3 sums up a pretty good reason as to why. This is only the second year of this event in its current guise and the profile of the sport is slowly raising, it is getting some media coverage, is slowly working towards a format suitable for commercial TV and tournaments like this can only help this happen. Compared to the now defunct Super 6 series, this event provides a far greater promotional tool for the sport.
There are still plenty of other tournaments and you only need to check next years calendar, to see the ranked open events are now covered by a wide range of states and locations, and it is up to us the bowlers to support these events, otherwise we can kiss any tournament scene goodbye.
On page 4 of the topic you wrote.
Every single event....... that's right, I forgot. It was ONLY the nationals. Meetings are far more important.
This was in reference to Cara attending a meeting at the Gold Coast regarding the Commonwealth Games. You wouldn't have a clue what Cara did at the Nationals because you were sitting at home behind your keyboard getting ready to write negative crap about a sport that you like to make people think that you care about.
Please let me know if I am going to fast for you.
Can you please explain to everyone on this forum what you meant by that comment.
It's so exciting to see that bowling is moving along at a great pace and a lot of this is due to the TBA under the leadership of Cara and AMF getting together to organise, promote and deliver a world class event.
Casual Observer
Member
I don't need to justify what I type to you or anyone else but I will give you a reply anyway.
Yes I said that. It was after 2 or 3 posts of people treating the Nationals as just another tourney on our calendar. You can read whatever you want into it and make up whatever bull**** you want but you will be wrong. I know what I meant and I have said what I meant.
In fact, noone on here has said anything bad about Cara or the work she does.
Yes I said that. It was after 2 or 3 posts of people treating the Nationals as just another tourney on our calendar. You can read whatever you want into it and make up whatever bull**** you want but you will be wrong. I know what I meant and I have said what I meant.
In fact, noone on here has said anything bad about Cara or the work she does.
Michael Little
Active Member
Unfortunately when you post comments like that, regardless of intent and meaning, and there is probably a 2nd meaning to the face value of the words typed, well like it or lump it because people will interpret it as such and generally when a lot of people notice the same thing, the onus usually falls on the poster to explain their intent.
If you meant something else with your post, you still haven't explained so, but I am glad you know what you meant.
bowlrig
Just A Bowler
But Gary, you do, you keep replying. No need to reply if no justification needed.............................. just sayin !!
Very disapointing to be called a dickhead or coming down in a shower. All I would expect Cara to spend some time with the Seniors, Rachuig & Restricted, maybe at their dinners, if she is so busy. I never mentioned what AMF contributed to the Nationals. Some of these posts get too personal. Dockers
Roysa
Well-Known Member
They get personal because people are uninformed and attempt to fill the gaps in by making assumptions.
The way i see it people shouldnt make posts on here where the content of that post wouldnt dare be said to someones face.
In this thread i think it has been the case as shown by the need for JASE to edit the last post by Casual Observer. I bet had that post been left on this thread there would be some hefty replies. All bad form if you ask me.
*edit* Just realised Michael was quick to Quote it.... gee CO you stooped to a new low with that one.
The way i see it people shouldnt make posts on here where the content of that post wouldnt dare be said to someones face.
In this thread i think it has been the case as shown by the need for JASE to edit the last post by Casual Observer. I bet had that post been left on this thread there would be some hefty replies. All bad form if you ask me.
*edit* Just realised Michael was quick to Quote it.... gee CO you stooped to a new low with that one.
And Mr. "Casual Observer", let this be your first and final warning. Please refrain from name calling and the like.
My "have a holiday" finger is getting itchy.
Casual Observer
Member
A little bit of fairness wouldn't go astray. If you are going to warn me then at least be consistent.
So many postive posts and general comments go without reply on this forum, yet when this moron posts people jump to respond. Why not just ignore it? He's just a troll - Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - who has already been banned once already.
bluey
Member
Maybe if what you post is true you don't get warned?
Casual Observer
Member
bluey, i don't care who you are or who you think you are. If you think something I have posted is untrue then say so. Until then, you can follow the rules too. I post my opinion as I see it.
Hooligan, if you don't agree then fine. It does not mean that me (or any other person) shouldn't post their opinion on an open forum. I responded to the topic (something most people do not do) and people disagreed. I think a number of the people who posted are treating it like any other tourney. That's all fine but don't expect me not to respond if you post stupidity and don't bother to read what I posted to start with. You also posted a personal comment after reading all that and after someone was warned. Do I need to say more?
Hooligan, if you don't agree then fine. It does not mean that me (or any other person) shouldn't post their opinion on an open forum. I responded to the topic (something most people do not do) and people disagreed. I think a number of the people who posted are treating it like any other tourney. That's all fine but don't expect me not to respond if you post stupidity and don't bother to read what I posted to start with. You also posted a personal comment after reading all that and after someone was warned. Do I need to say more?
"just the nationals" is probably my fault, for which I apologise it was not my intent. It is clearly our pinnacle event. I wonder how many hours she spent there as it was, neglecting everything else?
Personally I'd rather see the sport make the Commonwealth Games, gain some popularity, and then the STATES can invest the increased funding into the grass roots and juniors etc. TBA is the national body, and it may be an eliteist statement but I don't have an issue with their priority being in the profile of the sport both at home and on the world stage. I represent the ACT Tenpin Bowling Association, and as such it's up to myself and my 'staff' to reach the masses and feed them into the national teams. I don't expect Cara to directly help me get into schools or onto retirees to help me recruit them, she gives us funding to do such - and I might add I have to justify that I'm spending their funding in the right places.
I guess my point this time around is that the meeting she was at was "just the commonwealth games". Come to think of it, I'd rather we secured the Commonwealth Games spot than have the CEO socialising in ANY event. As it was she missed the start of the Masters Opening because she was busily ensuring that we (the State Managers) had finished our gathering and received all of our very valuable information. When you look at it, she doesn't really bring anything to an event except her presence. John runs it. Ian scores it. AMF staff it. The volunteers operate it. Cara looks pretty and says a few words when asked.
In any case, what's done is done.
Personally I'd rather see the sport make the Commonwealth Games, gain some popularity, and then the STATES can invest the increased funding into the grass roots and juniors etc. TBA is the national body, and it may be an eliteist statement but I don't have an issue with their priority being in the profile of the sport both at home and on the world stage. I represent the ACT Tenpin Bowling Association, and as such it's up to myself and my 'staff' to reach the masses and feed them into the national teams. I don't expect Cara to directly help me get into schools or onto retirees to help me recruit them, she gives us funding to do such - and I might add I have to justify that I'm spending their funding in the right places.
I guess my point this time around is that the meeting she was at was "just the commonwealth games". Come to think of it, I'd rather we secured the Commonwealth Games spot than have the CEO socialising in ANY event. As it was she missed the start of the Masters Opening because she was busily ensuring that we (the State Managers) had finished our gathering and received all of our very valuable information. When you look at it, she doesn't really bring anything to an event except her presence. John runs it. Ian scores it. AMF staff it. The volunteers operate it. Cara looks pretty and says a few words when asked.
In any case, what's done is done.
wchester
Bowling Tragic
Just for the record...has anyone posted congratulations to the winners on the nationals? And I'm not talking about the Australian Masters event. Come to think of it..do any of you know who finished on top of men's and women's open singles, doubles, team, as well as mixed doubles. It's a prety safe bet that most of you don't know, but will have to look it up on the TBA website. It appears that the "nationals' really isn't that big of a deal..just a qualifying for the 100,000 Masters event.
Casual Observer
Member
lol.........
