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Ace Ventura said:
I heard about about that one today as well. Obviously this sets a precedent doesnt it.
Your version on the St.Kildav Fremantle game
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I heard about about that one today as well. Obviously this sets a precedent doesnt it.
Craig Ryan
Member
Ace Ventura said:
Time to get it right mate.... it was a night grand final. Eddie will never succeed in getting the result turned over, no one cares about that game anyway.
rychenroller
Active Member
Craig Ryan said:
Not to mention that the article it is quoted from (herald sun 2/5/06), the comment about Eddie trying to get that result overturned is totally tongue in cheek anyway, 100%
I dont think even Eddie is that ridiculous.
Muels1
The Chosen One
Craig Ryan said:
Perhaps some sort of bright flashing light system may work. Set up lights that will flash or something behind each of the goals and on the wings that are a bright colour. I know football grounds used to have a light system (dunno if they do now) around the time keepers window to signal to the umpire when to bounce the ball after a goal for a live televised game. And you couldnt miss them lights anywhere. Could be handy just in case the siren fails and wont sound!
Michelle Musilli
New Member
Freo win not likely..
Saints win no....... its a draw
There have been many sirens that havent been heard at quarter time, half time and three quarter time that have effected results but thats ok.
In the rules its not over untill the umpires signal -- why change the rules for a newer team when its been in place for decades..
Wonder if the results were reversed what would be happening now??
The AFL have to make a decision that will affect the rest of the season and beyond lets hope its the right one.
Saints win no....... its a draw
There have been many sirens that havent been heard at quarter time, half time and three quarter time that have effected results but thats ok.
In the rules its not over untill the umpires signal -- why change the rules for a newer team when its been in place for decades..
Wonder if the results were reversed what would be happening now??
The AFL have to make a decision that will affect the rest of the season and beyond lets hope its the right one.
Craig Ryan
Member
Just announced that its a Fremantle win...
Disgraceful decision. Opens up a can of worms.... Is it time for the AFL Commission to go back through time and alter results for all the other times this has occurred?
Or fix results for goal umpiring errors?
Expect more from this in the upcoming days.
Disgraceful decision. Opens up a can of worms.... Is it time for the AFL Commission to go back through time and alter results for all the other times this has occurred?
Or fix results for goal umpiring errors?
Expect more from this in the upcoming days.
Resurrection
Bowling Tragic
It seems now that any decision made by any umpire on any given day now is irrelevant. This decision has made a mockery of the rules and the game itself. I my be a St.Kilda fan but I have also been an umpire for the past 16 years. The umpires are there to officiate the game and the call an end to the game.
Now as of the minute the decision was made by the AFL Commision all game may now come into scrutiny.
- 1980 Night Final
- Grand Final in which Wayne Harmes knocked the ball to Ken Sheldon.
- Games in which the umpiring has been so bad towards one team and the game has been decided ny less then a kick.
The AFL Commision has now opened up the biggest can of worms in the history of world sport and I hope the St>kilda fottball take legal action because under the statute of law the result cannot be changed unless the rules of the game have been intentionally broken which in this case they have not.
But here is something for you all to ponder over, Before the game was called by the umpires in charge the coach and the players from the Fremantle bench were standing on the ground inside the field of play. Under the rules of the game that is too many players/officails on the ground and a loss of all scores to the Fremantle team therfore awarding the 4 pts to St.Kilda. If the AFL doesnt't want to administer one rule why not look at another.
Matthew Lambrick
Now as of the minute the decision was made by the AFL Commision all game may now come into scrutiny.
- 1980 Night Final
- Grand Final in which Wayne Harmes knocked the ball to Ken Sheldon.
- Games in which the umpiring has been so bad towards one team and the game has been decided ny less then a kick.
The AFL Commision has now opened up the biggest can of worms in the history of world sport and I hope the St>kilda fottball take legal action because under the statute of law the result cannot be changed unless the rules of the game have been intentionally broken which in this case they have not.
But here is something for you all to ponder over, Before the game was called by the umpires in charge the coach and the players from the Fremantle bench were standing on the ground inside the field of play. Under the rules of the game that is too many players/officails on the ground and a loss of all scores to the Fremantle team therfore awarding the 4 pts to St.Kilda. If the AFL doesnt't want to administer one rule why not look at another.
Matthew Lambrick
Murderdoll
INSINR8R
the 4 points were awarded. The AFL agreed that the umpires should've heard the siren, as it was nearing the end of the game. Stiff **** to St Kilda
B
BEAU VALANCE
Morally Freo win , rules of game say it's a draw pretty sure if it gets to supreme court that they will rule on the rule book not what is morally right.The people who make the most mistakes in a football game are the players in this case the umpires did not make a mistake. A huge can of worms.
Luke D
The Reflecting God
If its so much of a dispute then replay the game mid-week. Kinda like they did a few years ago (I think it was St Kilda v Essendon) when the lights went out on the ground. Mind you this solution would only be viable if a decision on the match was done before both teams flew out of Tassie
mongoliantreesloth
Member
Well, Freo now officially have the win, and all the points. St Kilda seem a bit pissed off, but it's a fair decision I suppose.
The Bert
Electrolovers.net
Time for my 2 cents...
This case it's pure luck for freo that the afl commission and "investigation" commitees have over turned the end result in awarding the 4 points to fremantle... But as people have said the fact to the matter is it is up to the umpires to hear the siren and the timekeepers make sure the umpires heard it and keep the siren sounding till the umpires hears it...But what this case or result has just changed the game and season significantly. what happens if fremantle finishes in the 8 on the same amount of points and the team in 9th position but only got in because of percentage...will there be another legal battle to make the game a draw again???
The fremantle football club did win before the legal battle i'll say that but what there coach said only minutes after the finalised result of the draw "well we will have to move on and concentrate on next week"...well obviously that didn't happen
To make my point clear i used to be a boundary umpire for local footy, some sirens at the grounds were very faint when there was a large crowd but at least the time keepers did the job and made sure the game finished when the time was up...why couldn't a major stadium have a siren suitable enough to be louder then 20,000+ fans??? and why didn't fremantle do as what there coach said!!!:turn-l:
Drew L
This case it's pure luck for freo that the afl commission and "investigation" commitees have over turned the end result in awarding the 4 points to fremantle... But as people have said the fact to the matter is it is up to the umpires to hear the siren and the timekeepers make sure the umpires heard it and keep the siren sounding till the umpires hears it...But what this case or result has just changed the game and season significantly. what happens if fremantle finishes in the 8 on the same amount of points and the team in 9th position but only got in because of percentage...will there be another legal battle to make the game a draw again???
The fremantle football club did win before the legal battle i'll say that but what there coach said only minutes after the finalised result of the draw "well we will have to move on and concentrate on next week"...well obviously that didn't happen
To make my point clear i used to be a boundary umpire for local footy, some sirens at the grounds were very faint when there was a large crowd but at least the time keepers did the job and made sure the game finished when the time was up...why couldn't a major stadium have a siren suitable enough to be louder then 20,000+ fans??? and why didn't fremantle do as what there coach said!!!:turn-l:
Drew L
Tiger
Active Member
I've been to most major grounds across Tasmania to watch the old Tigers mainly and many country grounds as well, and it always used to make me wonder how they ever heard some sirens, especially on the windier days.The Bert said:
The worst I ever came across was the Boyer Oval at New Norfolk which was a TFL ground from 1947-1999, and is now used in the AFLST comp.
You could literally stand in the same pocket as the timekeepers box and not hear the siren at all.
It sounded like two ships passing through a foggy night, with this faint rumble underneath.
But there were never any problems, on some of the windier days they used to have a gas hooter as a backup.
They reckoned ice used to play havoc with the siren up there.
My cousin was head timekeeper at the Hobart Tigers for 21 years and one day I replaced him and timekept a Tasmanian Devils VFL curtain raiser in 2001 between Hobart and North Hobart at North Hobart Oval.
We had all the backup necessary incase of the unforseen, a super-loud gas hooter, which could be pushed through a small hole in the front wall of the box in the Plaister Stand.
I'm wondering why York Park didn't have that.
It wasn't so much that the siren was the problem, it was the location of it.The Bert said:
Was never a problem before until they knocked the old stand down, and moved the siren down the bottom end of the ground.
The AFL should've realised a two-stack, located away from the majority of the ground, against the wind was not adequate - especially with 15,000 people roaring - and so it proved.
What is it with Northern Tasmania and strange finishes to matches?
1936 at West Park in Burnie a hurricane demolished the stand and called a halt to a Burnie - Ulverstone match
1967 Goal Post final at West Park in Burnie, the State Premiership decider between the NWFU's Wynyard Cats and the TANFL's North Hobart is sensationally abandoned after North Hobart's D|ckie Collins marked on the final siren to kick for goal to win the State Premiership for North Hobart.
The Wynyard supporters didn't go much on it, and about 4000 of them poured out onto the ground and ripped out the goalposts at the Cooee end and carted them away - Collins waited on the ground with the ball stuck up his jumper for half an hour after the umpires had walked off the ground, showered and left, so he could take his kick - he never got to take that kick - and the match was abandoned and was recored as a "No Result" in the record books.
And now probably the most sensational finish to an VFL/AFL game in the last 100 years.
Strange
