World Bowling is changing

GeorgeF

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This is a huge announcement in the world of bowling, watch the video to get the full explanation

http://www.foundation300.com/wtba/256k.wvx

"We, the committee, understand a change in the bowling environment is required for the sport to grow to its full potential. We believe the first logical step toward this change is a "Regulation Bowling Ball" for top level competition," Davis stated.

Again, check out the link to appreciate the announcement
 
Thanks George.

Very interesting if not long video. (50 minutes) but i have to agree. There is a need to change. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.
What are your thoughts on this George, Belmo, Jez. Would it make a difference. I dont think so, for mine the best are the best because of the way they go about it. Would be interesting though.

Phil
 
I would love to bowl with the same ball everyone else is useing. Although this is not the first time this has been thought of. First time it may have been published.
 
Noble sentiments stated with great sincerity. Unfortunately there's a mountain of number crunchers in various bowling ball Sales & Marketing departments who aren't going to buy in. That said, I wish them well. It would be a great thing.
 
I wonder how the STANDARD ball rule will be implemented.

Will there be just one ball specification for International Tournaments with varying weights ofcourse. It will also be a big job for Kegel to standardized the lanes in those tournaments so it will not overly favour left or right handed bowlers.

I think that it is a good move from the WTBA as this will shift the focus on the bowlers themselves and not the ball technology.

It will be very interesting...:-k
 
jason_doust said:
Noble sentiments stated with great sincerity. Unfortunately there's a mountain of number crunchers in various bowling ball Sales & Marketing departments who aren't going to buy in. That said, I wish them well. It would be a great thing.

they will just have to work harder to make the right ball just like tyre companies do for regulation tyres in racing just because dunlop have it and yokahama doesnt does that mean yokahama is out of bussiness
if columbia get the regulation ball contract for say 2 years then the other companies will sell balls to people not in these major tournies
and keep working at a better regulation ball and tender 2 years later
the companies i dont think will sell a whole lot less balls just one companie will sell more for 2 years
 
Kegel ran their One Ball Tourney with an Oil pattern of 1/3 to 1/4 the volume of todays standard. The Winner, Bob Learn Jr, still averaged 235 and didnt throw a game under 200. He wasnt bowling against other PBA Bowlers, but a mixture.
http://www.bowlingdigital.de/bowling/node/10097/1
I totally am all for the principal of a one ball, same playing field theory, but, the best are the best and no matter what you put on the lane or let them bowl with, eventually they they will finish somewhere near the top.
I think the changes will maybe bring them back closer to the rest of the field and highlight those bowlers who cant hit a target.
 
GUS said:
I think the changes will highlight those bowlers who cant hit a target.


How?

Lane conditions create area. Bowling balls generate and maintain energy intertia. Plastic can generate area on house shots, and hit pocket consistently It is the power at the pins (transfer and release of energy) from rapid change of frictionless to friction environment that today's bowling balls enhance.

What is going to happen if THIS particular bowling ball that they choose gives crankers the advantage? Bye bye Walter Ray and Norm Duke. If it gives strokers the advantage, bye bye Rob Smith and TJ......

Even though its an interesting concept, what I believe it will do is make a bowler change their axis rotation to score on different conditions. Bowlers with strong forward roll (all other variables the same) will score better on lanes with higher volumes of oil, and bowlers with strong side roll will score better on lanes with lower volumes. It has nothing to do with accuracy.

Now if they were to create 4 different bowling balls, (eg: particle, reactive, pearl and plastic) Then the concept would have a better chance to take, after all, comparing it to other sports, footballers change boots, golfers change clubs, tennis players change shoes, etc etc.... Otherwise, I can't see it happening, and if it does, I can't see it lasting.

Just my opinion....

Im all for making it harder at the top level (hell stop ditching league, I won't care)however to say using 1 ball is going to bring back accuracy is a little far fetched.
 
The best are the best because of one reason.

They are the best.

Wouldnt matter what ball they had in there hand they would still be the best

Phil
 
tonx said:
Hell, go back to plastic or rubber, I don't really care. Ive got enough revs to generate my own power. Have you?

it's not all about revs and power. Thirty years ago crankers were an absolute rarity...if they existed at all. Guys relied almost solely on accuracy but they still shoot averages near what the Pba tour shoots today.

Saw a guy bowl last night, Derek Adams...threw a lovely smooth shot, 7 or 8 revs up 10 board...while I was watching he never looked like missing. No power in his shot, just sheer accuracy. The final 3 balls in his perfect game were some of the purest shots I've seen, especially last night. This is what is missing in todays gamely, only because there is an easier way.
 
tonx said:
How?
Im all for making it harder at the top level (hell stop ditching league, I won't care)however to say using 1 ball is going to bring back accuracy is a little far fetched.

Considering I got flamed by tonx regarding my comments I have this as a rebutle.

The comment of "highlight those bowlers who cant hit a target" was more directed towards bowlers who think they are a 200+ ave bowler when in fact they cant hit the broad side of a barn. Which there is plenty of out there, I might add. Even in this day and age, take away the lane assistance so you have a 5 cent piece to hit instead of b/w 2 boards with arrows on them, and some people dont score so well. Perfect example, Aus Open the last 2 years

Take away the Lane and Ball Assistance and what are you left with?

Thats right. You need to be accurate and have decent timing to repeat the shot over and over again. Therefore, I dont think it is that far fetched.

What did they say the PBA Record was for 8 games, +576 in 1968!. I can bet my left nut that that guy had no ball assistance and possibly not much lane assistance, most likely straight up 10 or 15 and with a rubber ball. He bowled those numbers because he was accurate! Nothing else.

Cheers
 
Tonx you show a complete lack of respect for people who have been bowling longer than you've been alive. What do you know about what bowling was like in the 50's, 60's, 70's? Heck I don't know but I respect my elders and bowlers from that generation. Lane conditions, oils, balls were completely different, there is no way you can compare them to todays game in anyway.

There is huge merit in this proposal, hence why Norm Duke, Brian Voss, Mike Machuga and Danny Wiseman all attended on their own accord to the annoucement.

Bowling needs these new parameters to ensure a level playing field and future growth. Here are some quoted words from Brian Voss on the matter (taken from the PBA forums)

"The intent of this effort is to create an environment that is fair and that minimizes the mutation of the oil pattern. To challenge players with different patterns, ones that encourage a different strategy, is part of this effort. It will not be one pattern for everyone."

Please understand that this is something for the WTBA. They are not telling anyone to do anything. It is an experiment, not a demand. There are a lot of factors in this decision, and they go well beyond the integrity of the game. To try and make a tournament fair, in the best possible way, it's impossible because of how the balls erase the ball pattern.

There has to be lane maintenance in every tournament, and when it's impossible to maintain a fair environment, changes have to be made to solve that problem. The surface of the ball and flare are what make it impossible to control and predict fair play. You people that aren't familiar with lane maintenance, it's one tough business. To make a fair playing environment is easy. Keeping it fair after a lot of traffic is the problem. The direction to be able to keep the playing environment fair is to make harder surfaces that repel oil, and use much less oil on the lanes to reduce change. There are also economics involved. The WTBA is made of many countries. A lot of third world country participants can't afford 20 bowling balls apiece each year. When they fly to a tournament, the expense of taking all of the necessary equipment to a tournament (12 balls) is 4 times the plane ticket. When you have 600 kids at an event, and they all have 10 balls apiece, that means weighing in 6000 balls. So once again, this is not about you here in the US, or anywhere, there's no need to worry, your balls are safe for now. You'll be able to play bowling the way that you're playing now. But at the highest level, for these WTBA events, and after taking all things into consideration, this effort was needed. In theory, I agree with it 100%.

Tonx, its not a revs contest, your missing the whole point. If it was a rev's contest Belmo would win. It's about a bowlers skill in adapting his game to create an angle so they carry all 10 pins. At the moment, bowlers can change balls to change angles and reaction (which is a skill in its own). Under this new idea, this would truly measure a bowlers adaptability. Again, its not above revs and maybe you should listen to people who know a little more about the game than yourself.

For the record Tonx, Wayne bowled on tour for over 20yrs and is the holder of a PBA National title. If he was to come back to bowling, he's beat you no problems at all.
 
Hello!!!!!
It seems that someone did their calculations incorrectly.
If the intention is to insure the future of the game thru decreased cost in Balls alone, then many people are greatly misguided.
I can see that having a control ball, similar to a control tyre in car racing could possibly even out the playing field, but, the mighty dollar will still rule.
I can buy a practice game as a walk-in at Sams Town and pay one buck. I can buy the same game at Castle Hill for AUD$14.00. Regardless of the cost of getting to a centre or exchange, the overall difference is huge.
How can you determine the best bowler in the world without taking into account the economic variations inherent in a global economy.
I do not want to look like a bean counter, but the dollar earnt to dollar spent ratio to become an elite bowler must be addressed.
If a current sponsored bowler receives balls and other benefits, taking away the balls and introducing one common ball to be used in a individual tournament will make very little difference. A bowler must practice to better oneself.
At current AMF practice rates of AUD $4.00 per game in 4 game blocks, an up an coming prospect should reasonably bowl 4 times per week to maintain and learn skills necessary to gain future elite status not including coaching. The basic cost would be $64.00 plus per week or $3328 per year, a tidy sum for most people.
Sponsors will find ways to guide their elite to better things regardless of legislation.
Corporate dollars rule, and practice will make perfect.
Steven
 
Could someone give me the jist of what the video was about since I dont have time to watch it myself.

Making a level playing field still need to practice but dont have to rich to be good ..........IE: 20 Bowling ball's instead of 1-2 every few year's.

Is that it boy's and girl's...............:confused:

Gary...................................................................:cool:
 
Once again another topic closed!!

Why? Because a few people think it’s clever to change topics into a personal attack and don’t have any respect for other forum posters on this site.

For those of you who have a problem with me closing this thread because they wanted to see it pan out, well I am sorry they had 3 pages in which to pan it out and to be honest this wasn’t going to get any better.

Topic closed.
 
I have since had the time to go through the thread a delete what I though was necessary. We should try this topic again and see how it goes. Anyone who feels they need to flex there chests will get rubbish duty at big lunch and after school detention for a week.

Please if you have something constructive to say then say it. If you have an opinion about someone’s ability to bowl or have a personality clash with them then just don’t post in there topics. It’s that simple.

This looks like it could be a good topic to discuss.

Topic opened!!
 
Im glad the thread reopened im interested in what people think of the proposal/idea.

Ive only been bowling for 2 or 3 years so ive always been around the ractive balls. I dont know alot about bowling history or wat things were like in the plastic/rubber days but to a bowler like me the idea of going "backwards" its a bit strange.

I agree that something has to be done and if a regulation ball is going to make it fair on everyone then thats good.

I have to wonder what this will do for the fanbase of bowling? The fans of todays era love the power players like tommy jones. It makes for exciting tv. What will it be like if we all throw plastic up the guts? I dunno

My 2 cents
 
Thanks for reopening jase, i can now put forward my views on this topic.

while watching the video i noticed that it was never mentioned exactly what the 'standard' ball would consist of, am i correct in saying that?? this still leaves it open for all the ball manufacturers to create new balls and new technology, by a 'standard' ball it could just be that, for example, a particular tourney might be set by certain guidelines when it comes to the one ball, let me explain this,

one cover stock for every bowler, eg particle
one rg rating for every bowler, eg 2.53
one diff rating for every bowler, eg 0.062

this creates one 'standard' ball, all the manufacturers can make a ball with these guidelines and can still be sold to the general playing public, it keeps a market open for sponsorships and promotion of the equipment while making it easier for the lane techs to put down a fairer condition, on top of this it will bring back some things that alot of people don't do anymore, practice, move on the approach, practice, change target on the lane, practice, change ball speed, axis rotation and hand position at release, oh did i mention practice??

these are only my thoughts by what i what i saw in the video, but i will finish with a simple line that should get through to everyone

'We do not yet know enough about what we are dealing with to make any kind of intelligent decision'
 
I can only guess at this but but it looks like that trying to achieve the goal of a condition that holds up for a reasonable amount of time and gives an oppurtunity for all styles of bowler to score(on both sides of the lane) is just too hard a lot of the time with all todays variables. Taking away a lot of those variables in theory makes it easier to have control over what goes on. Plus its good that other things are being looked at other than just 'lane conditions' Stuff like 3:1(or lower) ratios aren't always the answer in my opinion(dont think i'm the only one either, take note TBA!!). After all on some lanes any more than a drop outside 7 or 8 board and they're not playable from that angle(topograhphy!!) which is hardly fair for all styles of player. Be interesting to see howe far this goes, hope it doesnt go the way of bill Taylors oil free lanes and gets done in a tourney or 2 around the world(wonder what Bills view of this development is, the phrase "i told you so!" comes to mind :) )
 
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