World Bowling is changing

It sounds like a great thing to do but there is just one thing that bothers me.
With recreation bowling generally being the only way that beginners will start off bowling, how hard/easy will the transition from recreational bowler to serious tournament player be?

Brian Voss said that recreation bowling will still be around... that people will always want to bowl strikes. Will people want to give this up that luxury? Will it lower the number of people who end up taking the sport seriously? In a sense will people be taking the easy way out by sticking with 'recreational' bowling?


Just a few questions I hope somebody could answer!
Porto
 
donkey said:
It sounds like a great thing to do but there is just one thing that bothers me.
With recreation bowling generally being the only way that beginners will start off bowling, how hard/easy will the transition from recreational bowler to serious tournament player be?
Brian Voss said that recreation bowling will still be around... that people will always want to bowl strikes. Will people want to give this up that luxury? Will it lower the number of people who end up taking the sport seriously? In a sense will people be taking the easy way out by sticking with 'recreational' bowling?
Just a few questions I hope somebody could answer!
Porto


couldn't agree more Porto,

thats y i think i will be as i said in an earlier post, balls that are on the market will be used but a specific Rg, Diff, and coverstock will have to be used. these can be laid out well in advance of the tourney, and i dare say it would really only concern zones, world and pba majors, and yeahi know that alot of bowlers think that this could be bad, alot think it could be good, alot, including me, think this could be great.
 
Hmmm... Lots of interpretation being made here. Here's mine.

Lane oil exists to protect lanes. That is the prime directive (for all you Star Trek fans) of the lane man. Protect the centre owners investment in very expensive playing surfaces.

The Kegel Foundation is saying a regulation ball is an answer because current lane conditioning technology simply can't cope with today's monster balls, resulting in damaged lanes and grossly affecting the playing field. Somebody made the lefty/righty fairness comment. If the regulation ball was tame enough, it wouldn't move the oil around anywhere near as much. Should be fairer for everyone.

Nobody said anything about "one ball", just a "regulation ball". If you wanted to protect lanes, that probably means less surface friction (material and minimum surface grit of say... 800 - probably no particles at all) and less DiffRG (flare) - meaning less friction. RG is probably less of an issue on a lower friction ball. You could probably have say 4-6 of these at a tournament. Different manufacturers will have different versions of "Tournament Balls" that fit within the specs. In the presentation it was stated a couple of times that the Foundation wants to work with ball manufacturers.

In the words of PBA Hall of Famer Marshall Holman "The credibility of power is lost, and the game is hurt because of it." http://www.bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=10640&f=21 This is not "going backwards" this is the sort of ruling golf's top officials have had the vision to make for decades. Protect the integrity of the sport.
 
From someone that does not enjoy posting on this website, because of the time it takes to read and reply to most peoples opinions, I for one don't have that much time on my hands, but being Anzac Day I thought I would have time to reflect, not of war but of the war of words about our sport.

So I have found this thread that speaks of something close to my heart, and that's the sport of bowling, bowling balls and lane conditions.

As someone who has been a member of the Foundation for several years, I understand where they are all coming from.

Without making this post long winded, I have always agreed that there is a need to do something about bringing the sport back to some kind of level playing field, and inturn bring integrity back to our sport. There has been talk about a single type of ball that would have very little ability to change the lane surface. This would require a ball that:

1. It's dynamic properties be removed, making it a low differential ball that would no longer have the ability to flare, creating an even rolling ball with little chances of a flip.
2. The surface of the ball will be made with no ability to absorb oil, giving it no chance of becoming dead after 100 games. All you would need to do is resurface occassionally because of surface wear.
3. The surface texture is another decision that needs to be made, should it be shiny or dull, this would depend on the bowlers style, and the lane surface, maybe there can be a choice.
4. The surface friction is another area that would need to be decided, but I don't see this as being an issue as much as differential is.
5. The COR (Co-Efficent of Restitution) in laymans terms simply means the pins ability to bounce off the ball. This would need to be addressed.
6. The RG values need to be addressed, because High RG balls can have the ability to flare, whereas low RG balls have less ability to flare. Imagine a ball that had a weight block that was shaped like an orange rather than a pear.

I'm sure we had balls like this when we first started this equipment revolution, they were called Faball Hammers, Columbia Vectors, Angles, U-Dots, Rhinos, Magnums etc.

Maybe we need to go back to where we started rather than go any further?

I have been presenting seminars on this very subject for TBA and bowlers in the National Training Squad for a couple of years now, and anyone that has been to one of the Creating an Equipment Arsenal Seminars would remember me speaking of the struggle between the balls and the lanes, and recognise many things that Kegel and John Davis & Brian Voss was talking about in the video.

Kegel and John Davis recognised many years ago that there was a problem, the difference is that they did something about it, and even after all these years are still struggling to make a change. They need people to listen and try and change it in your own backyard, the more backyards that are fixed the better we are. It seems that these discussions are proving that some people are at least listening.

We also need more bowlers to realise how easy they have it now, compared to where we were all those years ago, but also realise that there are less of them now compared to how many were around then, and this is with higher and easier scores, stronger balls and easier lane conditions!!!

Where are we going to be in 10 years, if we go it this rate, this is something to think about?

Well done George on creating an awareness, and thank you for listening.

Regards,
Patrick Birtig
Bowlers World
AMF Moorabbin Bowl
 
from bworld:
1. It's dynamic properties be removed, making it a low differential ball that would no longer have the ability to flare, creating an even rolling ball with little chances of a flip.

I had a blue Angle drilled up with a leverage layout in 1986 and it flared heaps, probably 3-4" (mind you I had a few more revs then, only a few), so it is possible to have a low differential ball flare.

Mind you, I think Belmo could get a house brick to flare.

One interesting aside to this debate is that it could very much bring back the significance of static imbalance in ball drilling. While static imbalance has been largely ignored over the last 10 or so years, due to the dynamic qualities of modern weightblocks, a ball such as this may well bring back the art of matching static imbalances to the player and condition.

Tonx, I don't think that revs and power are going to be the answer, especially seeing as part of the plan is to reduce the amount of conditioner substantially. You mention the effect of this idea on THA. Well, given it is intended for elite international competition, then this agument is moot, purely because they don't play on THS's. My understanding is they want to reduce conditioner volumes down to 1/2 or 1/4 of current international tournament volumes. Those are going to be SERIOUS volume reductions. I would suggest there will be no hold area, so accuracy rather than revs will be the determining factor in success.

My 0.02 (or US0.015)
 
From what I can see this is just for a small portion of competitive bowlers right? That shouldn't have a great affect on most ppl.

When I was a kid bowling in 1984 those bowlers with 195+ avgs were heros and if someone got a 300 it was like a dream come true. When I first got my hands on a reactive ball, I couldn't beleive my eyes. The ball just hooked so much.

I have since bowled 300's and have had 200+ avgs for league and tournaments and I rarely get excited about it. I can say that If we had the same conditions I had when I was a kid, I never would have been able to do that.

I'm tired of seeing kids who can't hit a target with new balls getting massive scores.

I welcome the changes but I can see its not for everyone. Trying to practise on current conditions would be pointless. Blahhh I hate posting.
 
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