Changes to Nationally ranked Tournaments

[Stuart Little]

If you are relying on tournaments to develop your skills as a bowler to international standards, you are doing it wrong.

There is a very big difference between training on tough conditions, and bowling in tournaments with tough conditions. And not all centres are as willing as you might be to putting down challenging patterns for a limited number of people to bowl on.

 

[robbo300]

Totally in agreement with you hamye love Robbos

 

[becka_girl]

We have had at least 3 youth tournaments this year that have had a hard oil pattern!

 

[jockey]

I'm surprised to see the resistance about what patterns are to be layed. After all it is the tournament promoter who chooses the pattern from the list made available by the TBA.

Now surely they will choose one that will sit all right on their lanes as after all they know their bowling centre the best.

Now this will also allow the pattern to be posted prior to the event so that people who are serious about this sport can best prepare to tackle it as much as you can without actually bowling on it in the bowl holding the event.

As far as saying it should be left to the lane maintenance people then "show me such an animal" these days and I may concur. Most of the AMF centres have crew that know little about the use of the oiling machines they employ in their centre so sorry but no thank you I don't want it left to them.

 

[HcB]

Well Adrian and Robbie I think you are for getting that the results on the TBA website were from a survey. It's what we want. If you guys think TBA are doing it all wrong and shouldn't have a say in lane conditions, or rankings then maybe just maybe you guys should of said that in your answers on the survey!! ( That's if you filled it out of course!!)

Hamish is right! It's time we get challenged to help improve our game, so we can do better overseas! That's what its all about! Improving and winning??

Adrian the caption under your name says "this is the future" I think you should take your own advice move on and get with the times!! It will change whether you like it or not!!

 

[becka_girl]

Agree with Lexi!
The reason the rankings are being changed is because of the results of the surveys!

 

[HcB]

Exactly!!! WHAT WE WANT!!

 

[AdrianS]

Like i said before ''You kids have got a lot to learn" Good to see some of you young uns think all administrators are lanemen too!

I'll tell you what, when you're 30, come talk to me than about all your knowledge about conditions and such things, youve only gotten 10% of the way....

 

[tonx]

Adrian appears to have had too many beers tonight with his most recent post.... You should know better than that mate....

Tough conditions, easy conditions, bowl in what you like, don't bowl in what you don't like. The fact is with the new policy, that the TBA aren't dictating that you MUST put down the pattern they say. You have a choice which pattern to select to best suit your tournament, lane surface, tournament format, topography and lane machine.

How many patterns are able to be chosen from? Who knows. How hard will the patterns be? Who knows. Is this the correct move to better regulate tournament scoring, so we don't see 250 averages one event, then 180 averages the next? I'd say it's a step in the right direction.

We all agree that tournaments are not where they need to be to ensure the future of our sport. The TBA have impressed at least me with first the survey, THEN actually acting on the results.

Just because I can't let that age shot go that easy Shelts, how many NATIONAL tournaments have you bowled this year? As many as Hamish, Bec or Scotty? I don't think anyone in this country bowls as many tournaments as young Scotty Robertson Shouldn't the bowlers competing be allowed to voice their opinions, regardless of their age?

 

[tonx]

Also to add, quite amusing to watch the debate also. We have an old hand wanting the easiest conditions possible, and we have a few young bowlers telling the sport they want tough conditions for their future.

In any other sport, that arguement is completely the opposite. It is the old hands telling the young ones that technology has come too far..... LOL

Man bowling is a funny game

 

[AdrianS]

Yes but they need knowledge too with 1 to 1 teaching and id love to do that, just dont have a bit of paper to my name. We really need to know how many patterns will be chosen from. I'll go with that. Tonx guys like you and Scotty have gotten near 100% of the way as far as all this goes i just want all the other young ones to get there too, even if it means a couple of hours throwing urethane or striking from every dot on the approach in training every week. Andrew i want consistency as much as the next person i just want to know how it gets decided upon

Oh i did bowl a tournament that SHOULD have been ranked this yr(besides K and K) which i won but something else that weekend got some points, thats another story though.

 

[$$Pricey$$]

why are we all up at quarter to 1 on a bowling forum??...
bit sad really...

 

[tonx]

Here is the thing Adrian. I am NO WHERE NEAR 100%. The only male bowler this country has EVER produced that is close to 100% is Belmo. He is there NOT because of the way he throws the ball, but he is there because of his experience on international patterns. He is one of the few around that can score on both conditions that suit him, and also patterns that don't.

How can one get better at the tougher patterns UNDER PRESSURE without experiencing them at a national level first? Practise and form can only take you so far. Nothing replaces experience. Not all tournaments need to be low scoring, and not all tournaments need to be high scoring. It is about experiencing both ends of the spectrum to become the best you can be.

At least we agree on the consistency thing. Knowing what to expect going into a tournament is a definate way to increase entries.

 

[AdrianS]

We're bowlers do we need a reason???? Good to see some bowlers with good views about how rankings and conditions need to be handled. Not an administatror to be seen.......

Really has this gone too far?(as i was talking to a pretty well qualified opponent tonight about this) maybe we just bowl, this conditon stuff is wrecking my brain(and ive got 20 odd balls for 'speciality' reactions under the bed!!) I dont remember being like this in 2001-2002 and being like this now to be blunt ****s me

 

[lgt]

As a tournament director, promotor and committee member I was not asked to fill out the survey.

I have pushed for tougher conditions at ranked events and have carried through with that idea in the tournaments I have been involved with ..... while other ranked, tba run events, have had easier conditions put down.

Obviously by taking away my input -
knowledge of the bowlers and their choices, knowledge of the lanes and centres that I run the tournaments in, desire to encourage more challenging patterns.... will improve the sport.

Afterall when I am involved with an event I become responsible to make it happen and work well, make sure I pay $250 for the privlege, scavenge for sponsors and volunteers, spend hours on-line promoting, hope that all my effort is acceptable and be included as one of the "8", "might" get your $ back if not accepted, and be told what choice of pattern I can use. Cute.

There needs to be parameters set, but TBA's choice to dictate to the promoters, committees and volunteers leaves me with a sour taste.

Leanne Triulcio

 

[AdrianS]

Another one of my points(which almost leaves me backtracking whoops!!!) covered here. We'll bowl on whatever but let the backend staff sort these things out(and im sure they wont ditch it up on purpose, hell even i wouldnt when i finally get my hands on one of these machines!!)

 

[CSP]

Adrian, it's time you put more time into bowling nationally ranked events and show us your talent than bagging TBA and how tournament promoters should leave the oil patterns to the back end staff, and thinking that other posters here have not got a clue on knowledge of the game. I'm pretty sure there is more on here that know more than you think.

Have a nice day.

 

[Shayne Melton]

Like i said before ''You kids have got a lot to learn" Good to see some of you young uns think all administrators are lanemen too!

From what I have been told TBA has a technical committee for these lane conditions. I not going to name them but I can let you know that they are well experienced and should defiantly know what they’re doing.

Also I heard that there will be 16 patterns to choose from. I don't know if this is entirely accurate but I hope not. 16 patterns is far too many, surly 8 would be enough?

I think having set patterns is a move in the right direction, for too long national lane conditions have been influenced by high ranked bowlers. All I would like to see now is TBA to tell the tournament what condition they will be using instead of letting them pick. (We may end up with a situation where every tournament picks the same pattern)

 

[ratty133]

We have had at least 3 youth tournaments this year that have had a hard oil pattern!

At least 2 youth tournaments (3 if you count national youth) have been run over long and short patterns, with only a handful of bowlers averaging the card or above.............

 

[Stuart Little]

Like i said before ''You kids have got a lot to learn" Good to see some of you young uns think all administrators are lanemen too!

I'll tell you what, when you're 30, come talk to me than about all your knowledge about conditions and such things, youve only gotten 10% of the way....

10% of the way is a big understatement for some youth bowlers out there, considering i have been bowling for 15 years, and so far this year, have bowled 9 nationally ranked events. Not to mention this all seems a little rich coming from someone who isnt even on the national rankings list.

As for the price of registration, it seems a little silly to expect tournament directors to produce that sort of money out of no where, especially when the tournament might over a year away.

Another point i would like to add is, how do we know that the techs down the back know anything at all about challenging conditions. Unless they have been a completitive bowler, they may have no clue as to what would be a fair, yet challenging condition for all.