Big names set to come down under in October

[nev25]

Good theory Nev, let's get a bunch of mediocre bowlers for everyone to aspire to. Your negativity is underwhelming.

Why not
If the general public then may want to take up the sport if they see league bowlers bowling gutter ball it might inspire the to take it up But seeing some International person bowling strike after strike wont!!!!!

For weeks after Tiger was out here, it was difficult to get tee times, and driving ranges were packed.

And they where people that have never played golf before????

nev25, you really have me puzzled. How come you're able to post when you seem unable to read?

NO I agree with you and I do remember them times
BUT
The infrastructure IS NOT in place to promoter new people into the sport
or to give them the help they need

So let pour heaps of money into the top end of the sport so the bottom end falls apart

Ask any builder if the foundations arnt good the building will eventually fall down

 

[jimcross]

Why not
If the general public then may want to take up the sport if they see league bowlers bowling gutter ball it might inspire the to take it up But seeing some International person bowling strike after strike wont!!!!!


And they where people that have never played golf before????


NO I agree with you and I do remember them times
BUT
The infrastructure IS NOT in place to promoter new people into the sport
or to give them the help they need

So let pour heaps of money into the top end of the sport so the bottom end falls apart

Ask any builder if the foundations arnt good the building will eventually fall down

Nev, in 1987 I bought a private Golf Course, here in Ballina, Northerh NSW. ( Teven Golf Course )The previous owner had progressively made the course easier and easier to play. He moved tees forwards, removed hazards, etc., in an effort to increase custom. The course was very lightly used. After a holiday he came back to see that I was lengthening the holes, creating hazards with bunkers and plantings, etc. He said " Jim, don't make the course harder to play. People won't come." I said, no, I think the opposite will happen. Over the next 7 years, I continued to tighten up the course. The custom increased by over 100% each year over the previous year, until we had almost permanent waiting times on the tee, in anything like reasonable weather. Nev, you don't understand people.

 

[mickyd213]

If you went to a golf course to play 18 holes and you got told it was $25 to play 18 holes but you have to pay for a $200 membership before you can do so you would tell them to shove the round of golf up their arse. Same applies here. It isn't the $30, it is the principle of the thing.

If you went to a golf course to play 18 holes and you got told it was $25 to play 18 holes but you have to pay for a $200 membership to be eligible to win $25000 would you tell them to shove it then???

Fact of the matter is this tourny (IMO) will do wonders for the sport here. If the big names come, it will only make the tourny better. As for the $50 to compete... Well, those that WANT to bowl in it will gladly pay the money...

As for the big names coming... I took my son to watch the AO last year where Dominic Barrett won. No biggie there but when you see the excitement in the face of a young bowler not from just meeting him but shaking his hand and having a chat was just simply awesome... If juniors are exposed to this calibre of bowler, they will aspire to be like them...

 

[Geoff300]

If you went to a golf course to play 18 holes and you got told it was $25 to play 18 holes but you have to pay for a $200 membership to be eligible to win $25000 would you tell them to shove it then???

Fact of the matter is this tourny (IMO) will do wonders for the sport here. If the big names come, it will only make the tourny better. As for the $50 to compete... Well, those that WANT to bowl in it will gladly pay the money...

As for the big names coming... I took my son to watch the AO last year where Dominic Barrett won. No biggie there but when you see the excitement in the face of a young bowler not from just meeting him but shaking his hand and having a chat was just simply awesome... If juniors are exposed to this calibre of bowler, they will aspire to be like them...

That all sounds fine in theory

One of The problems we have here is this

TBA has little following, poorly run for some years = No support base or structure and or strenght for bowlers
AMF/ Mac Bank want $ Return for investors = Social play
Pay $5.50 to $14.00 Game = Less and less repeat business

When we go and play and pay you get centres that are not
up to scratch for competition or comfort
Most Bowling Centre food is crap, has been for nearly ever and a day
Many have Air Cond not working
Lane Conditioning /Oil Patterns are too easy and do not
teach players to play and learn the game
Most centres have crap pins

So the point is if you go to a club with the family and order food and drinks and the food is cold and the beer warm, how many times do you go back ???

 

[Shayne Melton]

That all sounds fine in theory

One of The problems we have here is this

TBA has little following, poorly run for some years = No support base or structure and or strenght for bowlers
AMF/ Mac Bank want $ Return for investors = Social play
Pay $5.50 to $14.00 Game = Less and less repeat business

When we go and play and pay you get centres that are not
up to scratch for competition or comfort
Most Bowling Centre food is crap, has been for nearly ever and a day
Many have Air Cond not working
Lane Conditioning /Oil Patterns are too easy and do not
teach players to play and learn the game
Most centres have crap pins

So the point is if you go to a club with the family and order food and drinks and the food is cold and the beer warm, how many times do you go back ???

The problem is that most of the owners of bowling centres in this country would rather have 50 bowlers at a tournament paying $5.00 - $7.00 a game, then get 150 bowlers paying $2.00 a game. At the end of the day they would still get the same cash from the event but, they are doing less for more.............. This is how to be successfull in business?........... in the short term!

 

[tonx]

Who really cares if it was golfers that had played before or not. Most people have participated in Tenpin Bowling before also. In fact, last time I checked it was up there in the "participation sports" as far as numbers were concerned.

The only way this event is going to work is to get it on television. Unless AMF have secretly been negotiating with networks, (and Tenpin Bowling Show is not an option) then the only people that will care that this event is on are those that would have cared anyway. Bowlings little fishbowl isn't going to get any bigger...

 

[nev25]

Nev, in 1987 I bought a private Golf Course, here in Ballina, Northerh NSW. ( Teven Golf Course )The previous owner had progressively made the course easier and easier to play. He moved tees forwards, removed hazards, etc., in an effort to increase custom. The course was very lightly used. After a holiday he came back to see that I was lengthening the holes, creating hazards with bunkers and plantings, etc. He said " Jim, don't make the course harder to play. People won't come." I said, no, I think the opposite will happen. Over the next 7 years, I continued to tighten up the course. The custom increased by over 100% each year over the previous year, until we had almost permanent waiting times on the tee, in anything like reasonable weather. Nev, you don't understand people.

Oh OK I get it now
We have to make Tenpin bowling harder to generate more interest and get new bowlers
Like the half Dozen social bowlers that bowl every Sunday night at my local centre who replied when I asked why they don't bowl league "We are not good enough" will now so OH its now harder we will give it as go

Get a grip

Mate I think we are talking two different things here
I'm talking about promoting and getting new bowlers involved in league and tournaments
You are talking keeping existing bowlers interested are you not

The problem is that most of the owners of bowling centres in this country would rather have 50 bowlers at a tournament paying $5.00 - $7.00 a game, then get 150 bowlers paying $2.00 a game. At the end of the day they would still get the same cash from the event but, they are doing less for more.............. This is how to be successfull in business?........... in the short term!

Yep I working in the entertainment industry for 15 years and thats exactly how the live music pub scene worker
Bums on seat for that night not 3 months time and thats why there are very few bands in pubs anymore no short term cash flow
No time to develop a following
One could say thats the way tenpin Bowling is heading

The only way this event is going to work is to get it on television. ...

Couldn't agree more

then the only people that will care that this event is on are those that would have cared anyway. Bowlings little fishbowl isn't going to get any bigger...

My point exactly

 

[Brenton_Davy]

Why not
If the general public then may want to take up the sport if they see league bowlers bowling gutter ball it might inspire the to take it up But seeing some International person bowling strike after strike wont!!!!!

Nev, I do not know you but, please, tell me you are cracking jokes.

Surely you are not suggesting that non-bowlers would prefer to watch local hacks throwing gutter balls, rather than class international players throwing strikes and converting difficult splits are you?

Either that or my sarcasm meter is in need of replacement.

 

[nev25]

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Surely you are not suggesting that non-bowlers would prefer to watch local hacks throwing gutter balls, rather than class international players throwing strikes and converting difficult splits are you?
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NO Thats NOT what I'm saying Please read the entire thread before commenting
We are discussing the future development of the sport

So what you are saying is
By putting up a $25k prize purse and attract a few international bowler to the event will entice people off the street to come into bowling centres and join leagues

Sorry I cannot see it

AS Tonx said

only people that will care that this event is on are those that would have cared anyway. Bowlings little fishbowl isn't going to get any bigger...

 

[StevenB]

Simon Fairweather won gold in 2000, Archery had a huge increase in people taking up the sport.

I shot many tournaments where I was definitely outclassed by the competitors, I usually ended up shooting my best scores under these conditions and greatly improving.

Having something to strive for drives you to improve.

People that will not compete because they won't win (or in Archery where they want a new division for them to compete in so they can win) aren't the people you want in the sport, if they won't work for their goals they will never appricate them.

 

[Brenton_Davy]

Simon Fairweather won gold in 2000, Archery had a huge increase in people taking up the sport.

I shot many tournaments where I was definitely outclassed by the competitors, I usually ended up shooting my best scores under these conditions and greatly improving.

Having something to strive for drives you to improve.

People that will not compete because they won't win (or in Archery where they want a new division for them to compete in so they can win) aren't the people you want in the sport, if they won't work for their goals they will never appricate them.

this:thmbup:

Nev, you really seem to have your hackles up on this.

If this event has the effect of making more of our players see exactly where we really stand in the world of bowling and makes them work harder to compete with some of the superstars that are heading our way, it may well inspire more and more bowlers to seek pathways to improve which will raise the profile of the sport whic, in turn, would make it far easier to recruit social bowlers.

The elite players in this country have been competing for a mockable pittance since tournaments started in this country and I, for one, am sick of it. I have devoted a large part of my life to being the best I could be in this sport and, except for one particularly good pay day, I have not made anywhere near as much as the comparable players in golf, football, cricket, tennis, or even darts for that matter!

Why else do you think it is so difficult to attract and KEEP the best young talent? Because there is no substantial financial reward, THAT'S WHY! Why would anyone persevere with a sport that gives them little or no financial reward?

 

[Brenton_Davy]

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NO Thats NOT what I'm saying Please read the entire thread before commenting
We are discussing the future development of the sport


AS Tonx said

No, actually the thread topic is about "Big names set to come down under in October" The thread has actually been hijacked into another AMF bashing thread.

 

[twenban]

I have only just started to read this post but what I have read it appears the argument is will putting up decent prize fund get people to start bowling again.
Here in the US it gets virtually nil media compared to the big sports, I am so sick of basketball as it is on for nearly 10 hours a day, then NFL gets big exposure and of course baseball. Bowling is only on Sundays for the telecast and that's it, the only ads are during this time as well. Golf doesn't even get much on ESPN mainly on the golf channel and then NBC on weekends and you can make a career leading bowling income in one week.
I agree with George's comment about junior and league programs to get the game going again but it is expensive. Even skiing here is only $340 for s season pass and then you can ski for free for nearly five months everyday it is open.
Oh gotta go to watch Belmo on the telecast ....

 

[purplehazeffc1969]

I cant see what all the fuss is about..
If I could I would love to be able to bowl in this tourny. Would I have a chance to win? No I dont think so. Cash even? Well with a bit of luck maybe. Well ok a lot of luck. But the chance of being able to bowl against on the same lanes as a bowler I only get to watch on utube, would be worth the price all on its own..
What a great chance & way to learn how the pros play the lane conditions & what changes they make to overcome rhe lanes.
It would be much easier to understand if you are bowling on the lanes at the same time rather than watching on tv.
I also agree that this needs to be on TV.
The best bet I think is ONE HD.
As they also like to repeat things..
Peter

 

[AdrianS]

Pity these big names couldnt have come over for the $50000 Ebonite Challenge, oh dear it wasnt ranked!!!(those points went to Darwin for those who dont remember)

 

[scottrobertson]

If you went to a golf course to play 18 holes and you got told it was $25 to play 18 holes but you have to pay for a $200 membership before you can do so you would tell them to shove the round of golf up their arse. Same applies here. It isn't the $30, it is the principle of the thing.

weird thing you havent mentioned..
your not paying 50 for the ONE tournament???

you would think you'd register and make yourself eligable to bowl in many different tournaments throughout the year wouldnt you??

i dunno about you.
but most of the other people are doing it to be able to bowl more then ONE tournament..

 

[GoTheCell]

And if you live 1000km away from Sydney? Some people haven't got the luxury of living within a few hours of the tourneys which is why a lot of people don't bowl them.

 

[Craig Ryan]

It's $50....

If everyone in this country has your mentality then the sport is doomed regardless of how successful this event this.

Well done to those who are out and about talking this event up. Let's hope those bowlers don't look at this thread.

Some people in this country are a joke.

 

[gwhiting]

It's $50....

If everyone in this country has your mentality then the sport is doomed regardless of how successful this event this.

Well done to those who are out and about talking this event up. Let's hope those bowlers don't look at this thread.

Some people in this country are a joke.

Clap, clap clap

 

[GoTheCell]

Ok, so it is the fault of those who live away from the major cities that the sport is stuffed. You are nothing but a pack of retards if you think that.

How many times do I need to say that any promotion of the sport is good? I just don't think unsubstantiated rumours are good.

Honestly, the complete stupidity of some people on this forum is amazing.