Australian Team Selection Men and Women

[Bob]

OK, now the teams have been announced what is the feeling amongst the bowlers?

I was down at Highpoint this afternoon and the mood was quite mellow?

I also believe after the Women's event the feeling was the same?

How do you all feel?

I understand that only 6 bowlers can make each team but how can you justify leaving out names like ......Hunt, Francis, Riley, Stewart and let's not forget the women who were letf out....Spencer, Shelley to name a couple.

What do the bowlers really feel about this new selection / Trial system? I could add a few more names to my list but they were ineligible due to being in only Youth Squads. ie Little, Lean etc

Captains?? Andrew Frawley? How may this have come about? Interesting decision I must say! Mike Muir had a pretty good history in similar roles??? Not worthy of another shot obviously!

Would like to hear your thoughts.

 

[Sydney]

hi

i thought that Jo Spencer was really unlucky to be left out of the team. i think that selectors need to have a look at what is being done because from what i saw in my travels, it is not how good you are but who you know

 

[nay_lea]

No one knows what goes on in the minds of selectors when selecting teams. I believe that they select the people most capable of doing the job.....representing Australia. They are definately not going to please everyone thats for sure.

I say congratulations to all who were selected/made the FIQ/WTBA teams to represent our country. I believe you will do us proud.

 

[SCOOPS]

Well to me the team looks pretty HOT

And your quite correct there probably is another 10 names that could squeeze somewhere in there, however there are only 6 spots.

I'm sure every Sport at every level comes across this same problem, look at the Australian Cricket Squad, I bet theres 1000's debating every time the cricket board makes a choice for team selection.

My belief is if you're giong to gripe about team selection to do it after the team has come back, the last thing these 12 players need is to have their selection queried so publicly and place uncertainty in their minds before they go and represent.

But as they say Free Speech is everyones right and we are all entitled t our say in what we believe

GOOD LUCK TO ALL PLAYERS SELECTED I'M SURE YOU WILL DO YOURSELF, YOUR FAMILIES AND THE COUNTRY VERY PROUD

 

[agro]

Congratulations to all those in the National teams. To those of you who made it via the qualifying tournaments you have proven you can perform on the conditions and that is what was required.
My only comment on the makeup of both teams is this. Back in 99 a team of youth and relatively inexperienced bowlers were picked to represent our country. The general consensus back then was that it didnt work.
Has anything really changed. Maybe those bowlers who have been overlooked this time can take heart in that the selection process seems to go in cycles and maybe your time will come again. If not I have a suggestion for next years selection process.
Why not run a lottery for all 12 spots. It would eliminate all the questions and at the end of the day I doubt there would be as many surprises as what the National selectors seem to delight at throwing at the bowling faithful.

Keep em rolling
Agro.

 

[QBert]

It's not the team, but the morons picking them. Why the hell have a Tasmanian who rarely travels to tournaments, a Victorian who spends most of his time asleep at centres and a Western australian who wouldn't know a bowler if he tripped over them.

The selection processes we have in place are a joke, and if you clowns our there are saying this as good as it gets well your wrong.

Whats wrong with having all the Super 6 events qualifying pinfalls carry over and the top 6 bowlers on avg make the team??? Best bowlers over 6 conditions, with over 90 games racked up? Seems fair to me. You'll find that the top 3 wouldn't have changed and the only difference would have come in Trots and the 2 reserves.

The team sends a clear message to the up and coming bowlers who want to make the Australian team, crawl up a selectors rear and bowl 2 tournaments a year, change your name if you have to and hope for the best.

PS One sure fire way of making the team, have your name start with V and have some family in high places

 

[Andrew Frawley]

Are some of you guys on crack??
Did any of you actually look beyond personalities and really look at what has happenned to the sport in this country.

We are not getting any better at this game, in fact there is about 10 guys who looked even the slightest bit at ease on the condition........we have and I am speaking for the guys, been beat by a bowler who can and really wants to PLAY the game, who actually practices. Cara is too good?? I will never know what her side of the lane plays like and she the same, but is Cara actually 25 pins a game better than our best lefties?

As far as the selection of the team went, if anyone thinks Mike Muir should not be in the team better check their records for the last year, I certainly saw him hit the headpin a little more than others on the weekend. he at least knows how to win a medal.

Paul Trotter is the hardest worker in the game today and can hit his target, may not have the classic style, but his practice and determination has paid off....this guy did not ass lick his way into the team, Paul is a good player who has tamed his temper and more then deserves his chance.

As far as I go, I know in my heart that my game is as best as it has ever been, I pulled out of the last training squad because I did not perform in 1999....my results in the past year both here and overseas are good enough, no big head intended, but please feel free to tell me who should have made the team in front of me or Trots and Mick. The captain role is crap, this team will talk together and work together and the captain tag is just that...worthless and it won't appear on my shirt.

As far as reserves go I don't really care..they ain't going.

This is a good well rounded team, of course a few guys are unlucky.........everyone had their chance, congrats to Billy, Anthony and Jason for taking it.

I said 2 months ago that the chance of a bowler outside the training squad getting in the top 3 would be highly improbable. My chance at FREE SPEECH says that the 3 selected have the best results over the past 12 months. But then again we all think we are better than we really are at times......

Andrew.

 

[andrewbc]

Congrats to all who made the team i hope they do us proud.

The only question i have is why wasnt Mick Little named as a reserve at least.

From what i can recall he hasnt missed a cut in the Super 6 series other then last weekend. He won the Super 6 series without winning a single event, now if that doesnt show what caliber of bowler he is what does. He was also a member of the NSW Rachuig Team and average 210.

Mick might have been left out because he is in the youth NTS but i think he would have been a valuable bowler to the Adult team as well as the youth team

Anyhow just my 2 cents worth

Cheers

Andrew

 

[Insider]

 

[GeorgeF]

I swore that I was not going to comment on this but I can't help it. I have no problems with who made the team, only perhaps Trotter and the 2 reserves..........

Trotter, who not only has not bowled overseas but is using equipement from 1997. Further to that the selectors message was to the prospective bowlers, they wanted bowlers who could rack up big scores in 6 games, I'm afraid that doesn't count Trots. Yeah he can rough it out on tough conditions but when the lanes open up, he can't carry for crap. How many tournaments does he bowl??? not too many.....

I don't want to seem like a whinger, I merely want to know what one has to do to make the team. I have bowled 44 events in the last 18 months, including 6 International events in Europe, Asia and USA. I have missed a mere 5 cuts out of 44 and bowl almost every weekend. I have won events in Queensland, and Interstate and have placed Internationally several times. I practise every day and keep very fit. I have no doubts that I have bowled more events than anyone else in this country over the last 12 months (including Frawls).

I'm not saying I should have been the 6th spot, Mick Little (Super 6 points winner) from last year deserved a spot not to mention other quality bowlers such as Ashley Riley (FIQ and dual Australian Masters Champion), Colin Hunt (previous medal winner) and the list goes on.

I think the idea of having the Super 6 qualifying events is a good one, if they want the best bowlers over 6 games, well let only the first 6 games count then.

I am now going back to bowling almost every weekend and have started making plans for the High Roller in Vegas which is on the same time the team travels away.

I feel better I have vented some steam, chances are now I'll never make any team. See everyone at the Queensland Cup

 

[Andrew Frawley]

Insider,
glad you know how long the pattern was on the weekend. The condition was 41 feet not 38 feet.

With all your inside knowledge I guess you also know that the FIQ champs this year are bowled on 2 conditions....one 41 feet and the other 32 feet. Whilst Paul did leave a couple of 8-10's on the weekend (I bowled with him during qualifying) his ball selection may not have been right.

Perhaps the selectors are not as stupid as we all think..2 guys who get all of it, 2 guys who have softer releases and 2 guys how go straighter.
Pretty confident the straighter guys like Paul will be comfortable on the 31 foot shot.

Any other inside info??

Andrew

 

[Dj bruv on da mix]

Seriously George!, does it matter how old your Ball Is???, im sure the selectors looked at facts like, Paul Trotter's results on conditions where the Lefty's had a bigger ditch's than the grand canyon!, yet he preformed aswell if not betta than any left hander!, im sure that the selectors look at facts like his results on a variety of condtions......blocked/reverse blocks etc etc.
Im not 100% on his results from 2001 and 2002....but if he wasnt ment to be there he wouldnt be!!!!!!

Mark Foster

 

[jessica]

Guys,

Having not bowled on the weekend I don't really know who bowled well in the 3 x 6 game blocks without looking at the scores. But everyone of you who paid your money to nominate for the FIQ selection knew what the story was before you bowled a ball.

Many people that I spoke with thought it was a great new idea, and opened up the national side to anyone who could post the scores over 3 days.

That happened and congrats to the guys that made it.

Just read the posts before AO and you will quickly remember that most applauded the TBA for this new initiative, and that should still happen. There will never be a selection process that all is happy with, and the quicker we realise that and work with the TBA to progress our sport the better we will all be.

George I can understand your feeling after all the work you have put in over the last 12 months, but there are probably 20 other guys with the same thoughts. I don't really know what to say about that, but the question we all should ask is would we still bowl all these events if there was no national side? If the answer is yes, continue to try and achieve your goals, and one day if you are doing that you will make the side. I think we all hope we will one day.

Yours in Bowling

James McGinty

 

[Graham]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, ">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frawls:
Insider,
glad you know how long the pattern was on the weekend. The condition was 41 feet not 38 feet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just checked the pattern I put on the site on Saturday and it shows the pattern was 39 feet. This pattern was given to me directly from Yap Kok Wee from Kegel Asia so unless he was leading us astray (which I doubt) the pattern was 39 feet. Andrew wouldnt have had much to do with the oiling pattern after he dropped the machine off at Highpoint as he was bowling in the tournament.

I am led to believe that they toyed with the idea of having the pattern at 41ft initially, before finally deciding on the 39ft pattern.

 

[nay_lea]

it seems a few people have a case of sour grapes...........

all past & present statistics and ability on touch conditions obviously has all been taken into account.

in regards to equipment that some bowlers use.....personally if you bowl to your full potential with what you got then good on you. some people don't have regular money trees or be lucky enough to have a sponsership to be kept up to date with the mod cons of bowling.

if the selectors have selected these players then they must have the goods to represent Australia overseas.

As i said before, congrats to all whom made the team and i have all faith you will bring home the goods.

 

[trev]

frawls

sorry i havent any "inside" info for you on this one like a couple of others!!
but heres my say......

the 3 that qualified.......fantastic
the 3 that were selected......fantastic
ok trotter may have a temper.....but crickey, who hasnt......
also with the exception of jason, experience abroad is pretty good.

have the selectors got it right???
i think so........
will they bring back medals???
maybe.........

every country is out there to bring home the bacon.........our bowlers may have their personal best scores etc etc and still get nothing,
i wish them luck and hope they do well.

yep there are a few that missed to get in the six,
if we had the chance to send 15 bowlers, i,m sure this forum would still be full of here says and baggers!!

frawls, just one piece of advise.....
wear that captians shirt mate, who really gives a rats arse on what (uneducated) bowlers say.

cheers

 

[wchester]

I'd like to say a few words about the FIQ Team

Most of you probably know me as a stirrer, which I readily admit to being. One thing you should realise is I only stir the pot when I sincerely believe there has been an injustice which could have been avoided with some foresight. However this is neither the time or the place for causing any more animosity amongst the elite bowlers regarding the bowlers selected.

Remember..any selection process is open to opinion and controversy so let's all just drop this silliness and get behind "our team"

I say CONGRATULATIONS to all who have made it onto the team and best of luck at the FIQ in Hong Kong.

 

[wchester]

Belmo...Frawls...Muir....Billy...
hmmm..I think Flynn and Trotter might just wake up someday soon and find some round presents with big S's on them..
just a random thought?..maybe not !

Go TEAM!

 

[Insider]

Frawls, Maybe you had the inside info as from what i can see and Graham has confirmed the pattern posted on the site clearly shows it to be 38-39 feet. I took 38 as a guess but if Graham say 39 then 39 it is, so i hope you are right in the 2 patterns for overseas

 

[Bill Gardiner]

There were 62 bowlers who thought they were good enough to try for the FIQ team on the weekend only 3 made it, 2 were already in the NTS and one who is in the youth NTS. Can somebody please tell me why the hell Frawls should not have been selected and made captain he has been more places and done more things for bowling than anyone else who was eligable. Mike Muir sure he might not travel as much as he would like but when he does he makes it count Melbourne cup and SPC spring to mind and he has won medals in FIQ. Trotter some call him a dark horse maybe he is but you will not find a guy more pumped to perform for Australia than Paul. As for the reserves that were named I personally think George should have been 1st reserve if not in the team but as Frawley said it is not a major concern because they will not be on the plain.
I look forward to traveling to Hong Kong with my other 11 team mates and giving 100% to bring home as many medals as we can. As for the temper of Paul hey we all get frustrated some with conditions some with ourselves but at then end of the day he has 11 team mates plus coaching staff to help him control it. Remember there is no "I" in team and I am sure we will all mesh as an AUSTRALIAN TEAM.

Hey Wayne I would not mind some new round presents with an "S" on them either.