Would you be honest enough to.....

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micky_macca

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get a score change? If nobody saw it! Say you guttered a spare shot at the 10 pin and it jumped out and hit it.

This would be the win!
Would you admit it?



I'll go first, I haven't had this problem in a tournament but it happened to me in league a few nights ago, and i owned up to it. I also would have taken the series.

I wondered if she would have done the same thing for me.

Anyway. discuss
 
hmm i dunno in the 99 nationals (i think) i did that i had a ten pin up and thew spare ball jumped out of the gutter
and put it in as a spare cos back then i didnt really know that wasnt counted.
 
Well I wouldnt want to admit it but i know i would even though it would cut me deep....lol...but its betta to win honestly then have cheated and known that u didnt really deserve to win coz u had to cheat to get it, so i would rather be honest and have a clear conscience then lie bout sparing it!
 
Hey all

Well i would have to say as much as i dont like it i would be honest ans say it jumped out of the gutter. I dont believe in cheating because the only person you are cheating is yourself. I would also hope that the person i am playing would do the same thing

Thanks
Cya
 
i would be honest and say it came out of the gutter... and this has happened to me before.

in 2001 during a late night league i was going for my triplicate (seeing my other 2 teammates didn't show up and all the points were forfeited anyway due to not having a legal team) and needed 1 on the last frame to get it.
i took my spare ball to aim for the 7 pin and the first shot looked like it was gonna hang on but went in the gutter and jumped out to take the 7 pin (i was the only one to see it come out and another bowler that saw the shot didn't see it pop out of the channel). then i went for my second shot to get the 1-count and well i did get it for a nice triplicate of:

150 - 150 - 150 :p

later :twisted: :p :twisted:
 
well done luke that is absolutely fantastic.... not hehe.

i would be honest and say that it jumped outta the gutter and so on, but then again it is really easy to cheat... not that i have or nething. But yes i would be honest and correct my score.


If you leave it, then really your only cheating yourself. I know this guy down at my local bowl who averages "250" after hes changed his scores about five or six times...



Later
 
I had this kind of situation happen to me on the weekend.
I was going for a 10 pin, which i made, but my foot crossed the foul line in the process. I walked back off the approach after the shot and glanced up at the scores for no particular reason.
As i did this i noticed that the shot had gone in as a spare and not a foul. There were at least 5-7 people who had seen me foul but none of them had noticed the anomaly on the scoreboard or had said anything about it.
I hate to admit it but for a split second i thought about keeping the spare but my conscience got the better of me and i had someone change it.
I'm honestly glad i got it changed cause i feel alot better now knowing that i didn't cheat my way to the score i bowled.
 
Let's be honest shall we?

I have been bowling in League & Tournaments for over 19 years now and feel that our sport is in good shape compared to others.

We can show a few other professional sports a thing or two about professionalism of play.

In all my years of play I have yet to see anyone who knew the ruling on dead balls (out of gutter) not either immediately change the score themselves or ask someone to change it. In 100% of cases for those who were not aware of the rules, I have yet to find one to protest the change once the rules were explained to them.

I hope I am not wrong in saying that for all the experienced bowlers out there, to come back and immediately correct the score is now instinctive and does not require a second thought.

I expect all bowlers who subscribe to this forum would be able to join me in saying there is not one score that they have been credited with that they have not fully deserved.

Let's keep up the good work as we can surely say that the reputation of bowlers with regards to maintaining their scores is unquestionable.

Yours in hammering down the pins.
Terry
 
if that happens to me it is instinctive only for the fact that I couldn't look at myself knowing I had to cheat to win, it just means I wasn't good enough, and if i lose honestly that is the thing that makes me stay in the game and train harder so i can win without cheating. cheating doesnt prove anything except that you weren't good enough to do it honestly
 
I have done both..... I have left it as it is and i also have changed it
 
Sorry but it's a silly question CHEATS will not admit that they cheat :roll:
 
With reference to the almost everyone being honest

I think that if anything Mankind has been the most honest of the lot

Not accusing others of lying, but to admit especially after wraps for sportsmanship etc I think its pretty brave to admit to having taken the extra pin.
 
Well I can be honest as well and say that I have never cheated by keeping a spare or whatever after it bounced out or anything.

To me what's the point? You know that if you were to throw a 290 game and that "spare" was in the first frame....well I know I'd feel awful afterwards. As The Big Hit said, do it the truthful way or not at all.
 
To the best of my knowledge, after 30 years of bowling, I have never seen anyone deliberately cheating.
We have all seen, on many occassions, the ball jump out of the gutter and "spare" the 10 or 7. (On one occassion I even had the ball jump out of the gutter and miss the 6 pin on the inside).
But the player, generally, changes the score or gets someone to do it for them.
On occassions I have seen the bowler, miss by so much, that they turn around and miss seeing the ball jump out of the gutter and dont bother to check the score. So they are unaware of the mistake.
But someone always picks it up and changes the score.
I really dont know how anyone who deliberately cheated could live with themselves.
 
I feel obligated to clear something up


Every time i have left the score as it is it has been practice, and since you shouldnt bother to keep score in practice i dont honestly see the harm in leaving it and will continue to do so.

When i started bowling and it was a fun it, EVERYBODY would do it, they would leave the score as it because it 'took more skill to bounce the ball out of the gutter' and therefore the spare was awarded, plus we were playing for a first prize cheque of $25 each for 30 weeks of league.

However, in competition tournaments and such, I would be offended if anyway cheated, because i know personally the feelings you get when you have done so, however, i have cleaned up my act, and i learnt my lesson the hard way.
:
I am now a better bowler and a better person, i just took the wrong path to get there.


Regards

James Sitters
 
Mankind_JS said:
I feel obligated to clear something up


Every time i have left the score as it is it has been practice, and since you shouldnt bother to keep score in practice i dont honestly see the harm in leaving it and will continue to do so.

When i started bowling and it was a fun it, EVERYBODY would do it, they would leave the score as it because it 'took more skill to bounce the ball out of the gutter' and therefore the spare was awarded, plus we were playing for a first prize cheque of $25 each for 30 weeks of league.

However, in competition tournaments and such, I would be offended if anyway cheated, because i know personally the feelings you get when you have done so, however, i have cleaned up my act, and i learnt my lesson the hard way.
:
I am now a better bowler and a better person, i just took the wrong path to get there.


Regards

James Sitters
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Fair Enough!
 
OK what about cricket?
A lot of people here either play or love cricket, if you know you're out do you walk or wait?
 
That is a tougher question, but in essense i guess it's the same. Look the way it works in cricket is that sometimes you get REALLY shocking decisions, when you are not out and have been given out...had it happen lots of times. On a bad decision note....one time a few years back a hit a sweet shot off my pads to the square leg boundary for four, and it was called LEG BYES :!: Sorry I had to include that one.

In cricket, because you get those bad decisions, I think you are quite entitled to stay if you think you are out. In the end I guess it evens itself out.

If I was playing at state or national level one day maybe I would reassess my views because of the higher umpiring standards...but I honestly don't know.
 
Cricket

The problem with cricket is that the big decisions can also be really subtle.

Like some of those diving catches, and trying to work out the line of the stumps for LBW, it isn't easy to tell with the naked eye.

Bowling however its alot more obvious if you're cheating or not, except for maybe the exception of sleepers when you're bowling against someone like me who is short sighted :)

I really think thats the beauty of bowling, that it is so objective. I 179 can't be seen as a 165 cause its a 179

As Timmee pointed out, very different for cricket
 
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