Victoria State Championships Result's 2005
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edfleminglanes
Joel Lovegrove posted it back in Feb / March and we had a few people making some enquiries.But I am not too sure if these notices were send out to the centres via ordinary Post.
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edfleminglanes
Yes there are some tournament fees charged, but as you guys must remember there are a lot of stationary to be bought, paper for entry forms, and have them printed etc. So in reality there is no real income. But as I mentioned before craig, the state will welcome you donated a Lap top which would ease the burden......Come on mate over the years we have done a little bit of sparring etc and I think the time has come for you to put your hand in your pocket and come forth with a worthy donation.........
first i will start by answering my own questions that never got answered
administration fees for championships
$1083
second
joe as you well and truly know, sometimes you got to bang ya head hard to get the best results, hence what will come of this current debate and i would like to think, that after all is said and done, we will have the same relationship as we had before
i will NOT be sticking my hand into my pocket to help a structure that has failed bowling miserably, i am more than willing to suggest an idea that will improve things for everyone
and at the end of the day, the directors work for the bowlers, and if the bowlers aren't happy, they have every right to voice their disappointment, something i have done. the service has been poor and so it should be noted.
i aint for one second gonna sit here and blame an individual for the problem, i am going to blame the structure.
now seeing i produced the figures i wasn't supplied with, should i come on here stating how much your business made over the 2 weekends, and then kindly ask your business to donate the state comittee a computer, seeing their weekly turnover i am sure would be 100 times more than my weekly wage. no because theres certain things you shouldn't do in a public forum.
and why does the state need a laptop
surely a standard computer and printer at a 1/3 of the price would be sufficient
and while i am on the subject, is it true??? that the victenpins website costs 500 a month??? this site is rarely used as a source of information, surely what graham provides on here is ample to distribute the information out bowlers required.
if i am right that'd be 6000 a year that could buy you 2 over priced laptops
i could be wrong on the site issue, so if i am please steer me in the right direction to how much the website does cost a year.
administration fees for championships
$1083
second
joe as you well and truly know, sometimes you got to bang ya head hard to get the best results, hence what will come of this current debate and i would like to think, that after all is said and done, we will have the same relationship as we had before
i will NOT be sticking my hand into my pocket to help a structure that has failed bowling miserably, i am more than willing to suggest an idea that will improve things for everyone
and at the end of the day, the directors work for the bowlers, and if the bowlers aren't happy, they have every right to voice their disappointment, something i have done. the service has been poor and so it should be noted.
i aint for one second gonna sit here and blame an individual for the problem, i am going to blame the structure.
now seeing i produced the figures i wasn't supplied with, should i come on here stating how much your business made over the 2 weekends, and then kindly ask your business to donate the state comittee a computer, seeing their weekly turnover i am sure would be 100 times more than my weekly wage. no because theres certain things you shouldn't do in a public forum.
and why does the state need a laptop
surely a standard computer and printer at a 1/3 of the price would be sufficient
and while i am on the subject, is it true??? that the victenpins website costs 500 a month??? this site is rarely used as a source of information, surely what graham provides on here is ample to distribute the information out bowlers required.
if i am right that'd be 6000 a year that could buy you 2 over priced laptops
i could be wrong on the site issue, so if i am please steer me in the right direction to how much the website does cost a year.
Well Craig you really need to get your facts right before you open your mouth.
First of all victenpins.com.au costs the organisation $240 per year for hosting and that's it, which is in fact the cost price I pay the hosting company.
I donated the site for FREE to the organisation and I update it for FREE. What makes any not for profit organisation stronger is people willing to put the their own time in so as to make to it stronger.
It is people like you that are more destructive and not constructive to the advancment of bowling in this state. In future if you have any questions in regards to the Vic Tenpins website you can contact me on 8711 3515. This will save you the embarrasment in the future of stating incorrect facts.
Jayson Bundy
Vic Tenpins Webmaster
First of all victenpins.com.au costs the organisation $240 per year for hosting and that's it, which is in fact the cost price I pay the hosting company.
I donated the site for FREE to the organisation and I update it for FREE. What makes any not for profit organisation stronger is people willing to put the their own time in so as to make to it stronger.
It is people like you that are more destructive and not constructive to the advancment of bowling in this state. In future if you have any questions in regards to the Vic Tenpins website you can contact me on 8711 3515. This will save you the embarrasment in the future of stating incorrect facts.
Jayson Bundy
Vic Tenpins Webmaster
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edfleminglanes
Craig I appreciate what you are saying and I guess the best way for you and anyone else to really make it count is to get on the State Committee. From there you should be able to implement all the things that you feel is not being done by the current structure. However like all things, "the grass on the other side is not always greener".
With regards to your comments about how much Ed Fleming Lanes made, let me tell you that I would make more profits with my normal business, less staff, no problems with oiling, no problems with bowlers complaining from being too dry to being too wet, to telling us the centres how they would run and Manage the centre and tournaments. Maybe that is why some centres are putting a lot of effort into SOCIAL bowling,WHY ???
Ok I respect your knowledge about lanes , conditions and most things related to Tenpin Bowling, what I don't see is you and all the other bowlers giving up 20 - 40 hours per week to be a volunteer and having every man and his dog pssssssss on you. yes we may not like some of the people on the State committee's but until someone else puts their hand up and is prepared to step in we will have to put up with all our wonderful Volunteers.
And my thinking has not changed over the years, and for those that really know me, understand that I and a lot of bowling personal are trying to make our game a truly recognised sport. And yes I have said things in the past that have not gone down too well with the establishment, and regardless if I was right or wrong, I have always tried to speak with the people concerned face to face, and yes I have walked away sometimes feeling "is it all worth the effort", well I can honestly say it is.
But getting back to the structure, we need new personal on all Committees and we need people like yourself who have got the experience and we need person's who have business experience so that it can all be put together and run a like a well oiled machine (something like a Kegel!!) Have a look at Peter Coburn, there is a man that puts in about 60 hours a week to set bowling on the right path way,then there is June,Alex (yes he is paid,but does a lot more hours then he is paid for) John Coxton, the various state personal, all of a sudden you have thousand's of man hours being volunteered with no thanks from the very bowlers who these people work so hard for.
In my centre alone I have so many volunteers who give up their time to help with Juniors, Disabled, helping with touring squads and Junior nationals, fund raising. The list goes on and on and we the bowlers and the centres need these hard working volunteers,but we also need some good drivers to guide them in the right direction.
And to finish off, I love it when you get on and post your views, does not matter if I agree with you or not , I think it is great that you have the courage to voice your opinion, no different to Wayne Chester or whoever, we all have our own opinions and what we all need to do is harness all this energy into the right direction. I am sure that any bowler who wishes to get involved with the State Committee's, should contact Justin Lopes, becuase love him or hate him, he will listen to you and hopefully by the next state AGM we will have lots of new faces to help bring the sport of Tenpin bowling into a New era.
With regards to your comments about how much Ed Fleming Lanes made, let me tell you that I would make more profits with my normal business, less staff, no problems with oiling, no problems with bowlers complaining from being too dry to being too wet, to telling us the centres how they would run and Manage the centre and tournaments. Maybe that is why some centres are putting a lot of effort into SOCIAL bowling,WHY ???
Ok I respect your knowledge about lanes , conditions and most things related to Tenpin Bowling, what I don't see is you and all the other bowlers giving up 20 - 40 hours per week to be a volunteer and having every man and his dog pssssssss on you. yes we may not like some of the people on the State committee's but until someone else puts their hand up and is prepared to step in we will have to put up with all our wonderful Volunteers.
And my thinking has not changed over the years, and for those that really know me, understand that I and a lot of bowling personal are trying to make our game a truly recognised sport. And yes I have said things in the past that have not gone down too well with the establishment, and regardless if I was right or wrong, I have always tried to speak with the people concerned face to face, and yes I have walked away sometimes feeling "is it all worth the effort", well I can honestly say it is.
But getting back to the structure, we need new personal on all Committees and we need people like yourself who have got the experience and we need person's who have business experience so that it can all be put together and run a like a well oiled machine (something like a Kegel!!) Have a look at Peter Coburn, there is a man that puts in about 60 hours a week to set bowling on the right path way,then there is June,Alex (yes he is paid,but does a lot more hours then he is paid for) John Coxton, the various state personal, all of a sudden you have thousand's of man hours being volunteered with no thanks from the very bowlers who these people work so hard for.
In my centre alone I have so many volunteers who give up their time to help with Juniors, Disabled, helping with touring squads and Junior nationals, fund raising. The list goes on and on and we the bowlers and the centres need these hard working volunteers,but we also need some good drivers to guide them in the right direction.
And to finish off, I love it when you get on and post your views, does not matter if I agree with you or not , I think it is great that you have the courage to voice your opinion, no different to Wayne Chester or whoever, we all have our own opinions and what we all need to do is harness all this energy into the right direction. I am sure that any bowler who wishes to get involved with the State Committee's, should contact Justin Lopes, becuase love him or hate him, he will listen to you and hopefully by the next state AGM we will have lots of new faces to help bring the sport of Tenpin bowling into a New era.
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edfleminglanes
grumpie said:Hey Joe,
Do you know which forum it was posted under ? You know my reading skills are pretty poor.
I'll make sure to keep my eyes open next time. :crazyeye: :crazyeye:
Liz
Hi Dizzy,
it was posted on the VicTenpins site early in the year, and was taken down once the use by date had expired. Another reason to check Victenpins site on a regular basis.
Also while on the subject, Victenpins web-master Jayson Bundy will post any entry form or local tournament information or high peformance for any Victorian centre, that means that any country centre that whishes to put any worthwhile information on the site will be able to do so. To date NO one has taken advantage of this site. So if you want to advertise the Sale Cup you can submit the entry form and Jayson will put it up. The same goes for any other centre, so if more information was passed onto Jayson, the more info would be distributed via VicTenpins.
grumpie
Active Member
Gary - just goes to show that there are a lot of passionate bowlers out there.
Joe - in my post earlier today with regards to Sale Tenpin Cup, I did put up there that we will be submitting an entry form to Victenpins site and we did use it last year as well. I agree with you that bowlers should be supporting the site more. I didn't see Joel's post on there. I do visit it from time to time but have to admit that I do get disheartened that nothing much changes on there. I know for a fact that a lot of the information that Jayson puts up there, he actually sources himself.
Liz
Joe - in my post earlier today with regards to Sale Tenpin Cup, I did put up there that we will be submitting an entry form to Victenpins site and we did use it last year as well. I agree with you that bowlers should be supporting the site more. I didn't see Joel's post on there. I do visit it from time to time but have to admit that I do get disheartened that nothing much changes on there. I know for a fact that a lot of the information that Jayson puts up there, he actually sources himself.
Liz
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edfleminglanes
Yes you are right Jayson does source a lot of the materials himself. As for Joel's post it was severalonths ago and has since been taken down. To make VicTenpins work we all need to send Jayson as much info as possible and then maybe the site become another great source of information to promote the sport of Tenpins.
