TotalBowling Not To Cover Rachuig

Graham

Staff member
I received an email this morning from June Voukolos advising that my services are not required to cover the 2002 Rachuig and Open Masters from Bankstown Bowl in Sydney.

TBA have decided to cut costs and do the coverage on their own website.

In an email from June Voukolos this morning, TotalBowling was told that "this is a cost effective business decision" and "so we can cover Walter De Veer, Restricted and Classic Cups as well as Rachuig and Open Masters"

TBA have thanked me for my services to date, and have noted that TotalBowling may be used in future when they have a larger budget.

Feel free to comment.
 
sounds like it is a business decision based on the bottom line (dollars) with no regard to the human side of the equation, this is common occurance in so many business decisions everywhere, we are all dispensible when the dollar rules

i don't like TBAL, this just reinforces my opinion of them

i hope all the money they will now save will be put to good use
 
Hi Graham, Brett Riley lets talk.

That is dissapointing to hear.
The Presidents Shield covourage was fantastic to follow.

At the same time i can see TBA's point as well. They appear to have done a good job getting the finances back in order following the excesses of their predecessors.

Sondor, you say that you do not like TBA. Would you like to expand on this for us.
It should create a good discussion.
 
"so we can cover Walter De Veer, Restricted and Classic Cups as well as Rachuig and Open Masters" . . . isn't this more than what was covered last year?
 
Graham, I too, am sorry that Totalbowling will not be covering Rachuig this year......you do an excellent job, and those of us that are unable to make the individual event which is being covered are able to feel part of the action, in a delayed sort of way..... :(

HOWEVER....

it is great :p that TBA intend to cover "the lesser tournaments" (and to my fellow average bowlers there is absolutely no insult intended) of WDV, Restricted Masters and Classic cup as well as Rachuig and the Aust Masters......as previously stated, we too take great pride in representing our states and territories at our own level (whilst still aspiring to Rachuig one day), and lets fce it, there are a lot more of us middle average bowlers out there than there are elite........
We can only hope that TBA are able to cover as well as you have shown it to be done......
Jag and Broni :D
 
well what can i say???........serisouly, there is 1100 odd members on thsi forum, and how many people are interested in Walter De Veer, restricted cup??, Im not bagging the lower avg bowlers here, but ill use this as an example.

1. Rachuig, presidnet shield....are the elite Tba Torunaments.
Walter Deveer, restircted cup.....This is a 2nd tier Tournament

Cricket: INTERNATIONAL LEVEL......unlimited coverage...
PURA CUP...............no covergage, and no one cares...and thats y they dont cover it very well

2. DR PEPPER or COKE??.............Would you subsitute DR Pepper for Coke because its cheaper?....NO

3. Instant Coffee or Coffee Beans??..........well you can have the best, but if u dont know how to make coffee...it doesnt really matter does it.

My point to this is......Its about "Quality".........Not "Quanity"

Graham does a Fantastic job in his coverage of these events, and is nothing short of execeptional, He has a great relationship with all the tournament bowlers, and is respected by all, This is certanily a step in the wrong direction for the Promotion of TenPin Bowling in this Country. I cant see the Tba site becoming as sucessful has totalbowling.com.au. But I hope For the Sake of all "Bowlers"....That the Quality of covergae stays at this level, As bowlers and members, we deserve..the best.
This is my thoughts, and is not there to offend the sub 180 avg bowlers

Thank you for your time.

Mark Foster[/b]
 
There is no doubt that Graham has set a very high standard in his presentation of live scores which will be very hard to match.

He is to be congratulated for his efforts. He has set the standard.

Ian Nicholls and I have landed the role for this year's Nationals and I'm only hoping that we can come somewhere close to Graham's standard in order to present quality and quantitive scores from all of the 2003 Nationals as you are all accustomed to.

FYI, the TBA web site has been competely re-written. Although it may not appear to have changed dramatically it has taken some 30+ hours a week of donated time, over a period of three months, to this and only today is the Live Scores section ready to go.

Of course, there's no scores there as no one has bowled yet!!!

I suggest you check out the alternative before you condemn this decision.
 
Peter,

Your efforts for bowling, especially in our state, are very much welcome by me, and other bowlers alike. However, everyone has there specialties, and graham specialises in this field.

Ian is not employed by the TBA, he is contracted, so what money value is being placed for him to go? I certainly think he deserves to go, especially with the software he uses, its awesome to see the scores up there so quickly.

Ian specialises in scoring, TBA recognise this.
 
This might surprise you, but I'm not employed by TBA either.

Ian was 'contracted' to go even if Graham was going to provide live scores and, yes, TBA need him to provide this service. His software is unmatched anywhere else in the world. We all know this.

I can tell you that Ian DOES NOT make a profit from this and neither will I.
 
Hi i just want to say that Graham you do a fantastic job with the scores and the bowlers are always kept up to date with whats happening news wise and score wise. It is sad to read this news as you did an oustanding job with the shield scores.

I can understand the TBA and their decision, but why take it away, surely there is a way? :cry:

I dont mean any disrespect to any of the TBA or Ian or Peter, but Graham works his butt off to make sure we are updated as the scores happen.

good luck to Ian and Peter :)
 
Maybe we can get a collection together to send Graham to Rachuig......Let's see....

1100 members..all chuck in $1

That must be more than enough to send Graham to the tournament, and he even gets money for drinkies. :)

At least we know it will get covered properly....agreed?
 
As i said before, lets hope the standard of coverage does not drop, but is it just about scores??.......mmm i dont think so, its about seeing your mates, team members, enjoying them selves at Australia's premier Team event, so u can sit back on ur pc....and say "hey i know him"......wish i was there!, and with Graham's great work behind the camera (pc), this is how it is
 
Hopefully the TBA can catch up on all the awards that are still outstanding with all the cash they save??????? :?
 
It's very interesting to read everyone's comments about this topic. And I suppose this will end up being a long-winded answer, I apologise in advance.

Graham, you do a fantastic job with this website, and your efforts keeping people up to date with tournament results are excellent, I hope you are around for a long time to come.

In reference to the decision of TBA to not send you to Rachuig, all I can say is cop it on the chin Graham, and move on, nobody is indispensable when it comes to the bottom line, you will be used many more times in the future I'm sure.

I believe that bowlers have become very used to instant information the last few years, get it live and as it happens so to speak. Personally I don't care if I have to wait 30 minutes or an hour or even several hours for results about each tournament, that is how I get my daily news events anyway, besides I'm at work while all this is happening. Let's face it Rachuig and all the other events will continue as always, and if we have to get the results from faxes, telexes, carrier pigeons or hear it from the grapevine like we have the past 20 years, then we will do so. Life will go on.

I don't think many have any idea how difficult it is to set up this type of service, just ask Ian Nicholls who for the past several years has been perfecting a computer program to give bowlers and spectators instant scoring updates about each tournament he has been involved in, usually within 5 - 10 seconds after the last ball has been bowled. This is possible because he works with the center involved and uses their own system for scoring and converts it to his, creating instant scoring updates, Ian is unique in the world for this information and this is why TBA use him, many have learned from this system including Graham I'm sure.

Peter Coburn has been an invaluable addition to the TBA, his knowledge of business, and of computers and programming has helped TBA establish a much improved website, the many hours he has spent on this, I can only imagine. I am certain that both Ian and Peter will do a fantastic job on the presentation of all these events during the nationals, they may not be exactly the same but to your surprise may be just as good, we will wait and see.

In regards to the financial difficulties of this sport, we have had a problem for decades in that we pay very little in sanction money compared to other sports, to administer our very sport.

Speaking hypothetically only, with over 200,000 sanctioned bowlers who were asked for an increase of $5.00 per bowler for sanction fees for the year, over $1,000,000.00 would be included into the TBA to cover things like decent prize funds for nationals, better salaries for administrative staff, a better media department, funding for national teams who represent your sport and your country, who have to pay their own way most times, coaches that get paid etc, etc.

Just ask the TBA how difficult it is to get things like this through, why is it so hard to levy the many bowlers from around the country, let's say just 10 cents each, ($20,000.00) and have all the events covered by Graham for the entire year, seems simply doesn't it !!

Another hypothetical would be to have all the bowling centers in this country to put aside 5 cents per game to generate over $1 million for a national tournament circuit, which would help promote the sport better and increase their bottom line in the long term !!

I am fortunate in that I pay nothing for my TBA sanction fees each year because my center pays for me and every other bowler in our center, I would gladly pay an extra $20.00 each year to create a strong national body, with a strong bowler base, and have everything paid for properly. It was not long ago that we were complaining that our national body was spending too much, now we are asking why they are not spending money on non-essential things.

Regards,
Patrick Birtig
 
Patrick . . . Thanx for the compliments. It is good to see that some one is backing our expertise.

FYI, Ian and I have been experimenting with his computer generated scores and we reckon that we'll have the scores posted on the TBA website within 5 minutes of the last ball being bowled in that particular squad/session.

You won't need to wait as long as you indicated.

On top of Rachuig and Masters scores,s we will also be posting scores for the placegetters in Singles, Doubles, Teams and All Events as well as De Veer, Restricted Cup, Classic Cup, Seniors Cup and Masters.

A mammoth exercise which we enter with confidence.

Androooo . . . I hope you're not an accountant. $1100 for 13 nights accommodation, return flights, ground transport, meals and a daily allowance. Better make it $4 per head and you'd be closer to the mark.
 
thanks everyone for your support

Heck im taking it on the chin .. as far as I see shit happens and life goes on.

My ONLY reason for posting this is so that I dont get emails asking why im not going, or for people to think I didnt want to go, or that TBA just didnt want me. Im all about people reading the truth.

As far as my work with TBA goes, I ask for airfares, accomodation and money to cover lost wages whilst I am away from work. While I love spending 12 hours a day in a bowling centre, the bills dont get paid and whatever else while this is happening. So yeah Im making a HUGE profit out of covering the live scores and all the rest of it. NOT.

I love doing the scores, dont worry Ill be there at SPC. I'm also currently working with AMF to take it to the next level. Shit does happen .. i was over it the second I found out.

Thanks all for your support so far and in the future.
 
so if it's cost cutting it sounds like u charge them - maybe you could lower your price for doing the tourney?
 
Pedro said:
Androooo . . . I hope you're not an accountant. $1100 for 13 nights accommodation, return flights, ground transport, meals and a daily allowance. Better make it $4 per head and you'd be closer to the mark.


Hey I'm sure Graham can find someone's mum to shack up with, and bum rides off......That's heaps of money then :lol:
 
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