IGNORANT, ARROGANT or STUPID

You could very well be the only person in this country that thinks the left is harder than the right.

It's amazing how some peoples brains are programmed. LMAO! I coach juniors with more of a clue.

There is one thing that you have said correctly though. Asymmetrical patterns are the way of the future. It is more volume on the right that is required rather than less volume on the left.

I do bowl in the VSS in Melbourne, and have bowled and am still bowling in tournaments in Qld, NSW, SA and Victoria, so I have a fair idea of what I'm talking about.

I'm ranked in the top 10 in Seniors Australia, and have been for the past few years.

Most of the bowlers who are giving me a hard time only play League, and have yet to prove themselves in tournament competition.

When they can prove they know how to bowl, THEN I will take notice of their comments !!
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I bowl tournaments in all of those states and more, and I am currently in Malaysia bowling in the Malaysian open.

I'm ranked number 1 in the country in my division. I also coach many of the best bowlers in your division, including Jeanette Baker.

I've won VSS events twice, on 2 completely different patterns. One event with a pink hammer.

Do I have enough credibility for you to take notice of my comments?

Have a great day!
 
And another thing.

I'm sharing a hotel room with 2008 world cup winner Bill Hoffman, who recently started working for the USBC as International bowling consultant. His job is to find out where tournaments go right or wrong all over the world, and assist the countries that need the help.

During breakfast yesterday, he asked me if it is true that there is a big left handed problem in Australia, and how difficult is it for a right hander to win national events. Does he have enough credibility for you to take notice of his comments?

EVEN THE USBC DISAGREES WITH YOU, LMFAO!
 
tonx said:
And another thing.

I'm sharing a hotel room with 2008 world cup winner Bill Hoffman, who recently started working for the USBC as International bowling consultant. His job is to find out where tournaments go right or wrong all over the world, and assist the countries that need the help.

During breakfast yesterday, he asked me if it is true that there is a big left handed problem in Australia, and how difficult is it for a right hander to win national events. Does he have enough credibility for you to take notice of his comments?

EVEN THE USBC DISAGREES WITH YOU, LMFAO!
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So WHO said there was a problem with Right Handers winning National events in Australia?

George F is an exceptional bowler, who knows how to make use of the equipment available.
I'm not even on the same page as him, and OBVIOUSLY neither are you.
I know that you are a talented bowler Tonx, so I'll listen to what you say, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you. Same for you.
 
It is true that that the shot is a little different on the left.
We were only talking about this problem last night.
We have come to the conclusion that MOST lefties have only 3
boards to hit ( 5,10, & 15 ) whereas the righties have the aforementioned
5 boards. Sorry, but the righties cannot wing it off the gutter in most
tournament centres in Australia, and the left can. It isn`t going to change,
you can argue till you are blue in the face, build a bridge and get over it.
I bowl because I love the sport and I enjoy the company of Most of my
fellow Humans, and I enjoy watching good bowling, even if I`m getting
my arse kicked by the person that`s doing it. Sometimes all the lefties are
at the top of the leader board, sometimes none are there, that`s the
nature of the sport of tenpin bowling.
Regards
Animal
Heh! HeH! Heh!!!!
 
The point that the right side opens up earlier than the left is also the biggest problem for right handers in tournaments. If the shot has opened up completely by the end of game 1 then you can be assured you'll be playing nowhere near that shot by game 8. In fact, with the volume of oil and rate newer balls suck it up, you'll be having trouble keeping that plastic ball on the lane. Meanwhile the left handers are still happy rolling down the same shot they found at the start of game 2 having moved maybe 2 boards. This might be a little extreme, but you get the point. So, yes, an Asymmetrical pattern is a smart choice, but with more oil on the right as mentioned by Tonx.

When it comes to league play, have a look at each bowler in your league and you'll find at the end that it's not as simple as 80% are right handed. Split it further when you take into account the backup bowlers and the straight bowlers. So the actual breakdown in league play if you go across the lane from left to right is more like 30%:30%:40% Now if you wanted to break it up further you have your strokers, tweeners and crankers to factor in. These all have to be taken into account when you do your house condition as you're generally not going to re oil a different pattern for each and every league based on exact ratios and styles of bowler.
 
As a left hander l can say for certain that lefties have never had it so good. I came back to this sport in June 08 after a 10 year lay off, wow these bowling balls make everyone carry so much better than the old urethanes. (some of which l still use) I have no rankings points Brien, so obviously l'm not as good as you, however l did manage to finish 10th at the Brunswick Cup in Canberra last year and finish 14th at the SA Cup in January, even though l wasn't quite recovered from shoulder (left) surgery due to motor bike crash. (damn logs on tracks!) The 2 VSS tournies l bowled in last year were definetely the hardest conditions for lefties, but that is the exception, not the rule, and the experience gained from those 2 events will only help my game in the long run. So maybe l don't have the credibility of anything more than a league bowler or maybe l do, but either way l still think the lefties have much more area to play on due to the lack of traffic, and maybe your focus should be on improving your game/lane reading skills/equipment instead of relying on the condition to do it for you. So to sum up l stand by my original post: Stop whinging and just get on with it!
 
Paul,
Once you have bowled a lot more tournaments and finished higher than 10th, then I might take your advise.
I have been bowling tournaments for over 20years, here and interstate, and have won my share, both here and against the best in Australia,so I know how to adjust and read the lanes.
I'm looking forward to the time when you find a place where YOU can't find a shot.
One game doesn't make you a bowler.
 
Brien......As hurt and out of shape as I am, once I can walk well enough to bowl 5-6 games in one go I would like to challenge you to a match..you can even oil them yourself if you like.

Overall, the left side has had a distinct advantage since shellac lanes went bye-bye. That's over 40 years now.
 
"Obviously you haven't seen good quality Lefties bowl such as Brenton Davy, or Brenton Manning and currently Tony Stoppel."

I have bowled with and against these guys for close to 20 years and I am sure they would be the first to admit that they dont have to hit the same board everytime to score.

"Most of the bowlers who are giving me a hard time only play League, and have yet to prove themselves in tournament competition.

When they can prove they know how to bowl, THEN I will take notice of their comments !! "

Just because someone only plays league, doesnt mean they cant bowl or have an educated opinion. I have seen enough bowling over the last 30 odd years or so to know that there are very few bowlers in Australia ( left or right ) that can hit one board only. When some wins a tournamant it is because they have adjusted best to the condition put down. They have found and made use of an area not because they hit one board all day long.
 
HEY BLUEY.
After your injury im sure you bowled a 12 pound ball for 700. Maybe you can show the only lefty who hasn't found the biggest ditch ever were to look? Sorry your only a league bowler who knows nothing!
 
wchester said:
Brien......As hurt and out of shape as I am, once I can walk well enough to bowl 5-6 games in one go I would like to challenge you to a match..you can even oil them yourself if you like.

Overall, the left side has had a distinct advantage since shellac lanes went bye-bye. That's over 40 years now.
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Wayne,
I'm on one leg, have a bad back, and ready for a pension, but I'd be glad to bowl you whenever your ready and able.
 
Hey BOOGA!!! or should I say Jim bob.

Long time no see or hear.

Yes Jim, one of best right hander to ever come out of this little state called South Australia, one of the shortest too I think !! :) :) (Sorry Jim)

Actually Jim was in the last winning Rachuig team back in 1989 (I think).
There was Jim Hind,Garry Jeffery,Robert Chinner,Tony Stoppel,Paul McCannon,Brenton Manning and Shane Gifford..........those where the days!!!

I STILL read so much on hear how the left always has the easy side, and maybe it is.

I'm sure the like of Bradford,Ryan,Wenban,Sullivan,Trotter,Prez,Harding.........just to name a few of the Winners over the years. They seemed to over come at the time.

I just glad I just get out there now with the happy group that all they want is to have a good time and not carry on too much about the conditions. (Well from I see and hear, could be wrong).

There's a new breed of bowlers that has arisen over the past decade, thinking the game owes them so much, sometimes arrogant, always look down on you. I had one of those a couple of years ago when I made the final 10 of the SACUP and he didn't, except to ***** to others why some old guy has my spot out there...........pathetic if you ask me.

Anyway lane condition fairness will be a topic I'm sure for ever an ever, while there might not be a simple solution, bowlers who are good enough should adapt to the best they can. Us left hand people cant help that there are fewer of us on our side, so don't knock us.

Here's to the seniors !!!!

They know how to party, good sportsmanship, and fun to bowl with!

cheers

Tony
 
BOOGA said:
"Obviously you haven't seen good quality Lefties bowl such as Brenton Davy, or Brenton Manning and currently Tony Stoppel."

I have bowled with and against these guys for close to 20 years and I am sure they would be the first to admit that they dont have to hit the same board everytime to score.

"Most of the bowlers who are giving me a hard time only play League, and have yet to prove themselves in tournament competition.

When they can prove they know how to bowl, THEN I will take notice of their comments !! "

Just because someone only plays league, doesnt mean they cant bowl or have an educated opinion. I have seen enough bowling over the last 30 odd years or so to know that there are very few bowlers in Australia ( left or right ) that can hit one board only. When some wins a tournamant it is because they have adjusted best to the condition put down. They have found and made use of an area not because they hit one board all day long.
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If you read the earlier posts, I said that Lefty' s usually only have one board to shoot for a shot, but if they find more, THEN they can score.
Watching someone bowl in a tournament, and actually being in their place is completely different.
Most (if not all) tournament winners have found an area to score, that enables to shoot the big numbers.
 
Lefty can't carry

I tried to stay out of this one but I couldn't anymore. The reality is lefties do have a significant advantage in Australia but not due to the patterns as such, its to do with the formats. For some reason unbeknown to me we feel the need to bowl marathon formats, 12 games qualifying, 15 games matchplay, its way too many games for the right to hold up with todays super soakers.

Subsequently lefties are often able to run over the righties with a few games to go (such as Brunswick Australian Cup, South Pacific, etc). If the formats were shorter we wouldn't be having this debate and I probably wouldn't have the resume I have now. Whilst bowlers command 'value for money' in tournaments lefties will always have the edge.

Having attended the Kegel training centre there is no quick fix solution. Assymetrical patterns are not always the answer and have rarely created a level playing field anywhere in the world. There are considerable variables such as lane surface, humidity, machine type, etc to take into account. Laying an assymetrical pattern rarely creates equity, history and Kegel studies have proven this.

The solution lies not in the patterns but in the formats and ball technology (for which we know can't take a backwards step). Change the formats and you'll have some equity and new winners on our tournament scene.

PS Tonx, just because you take your first ever trip to Asia and win 2 dodgy sports events run by you gives you not credibility in my eyes.

25th reserve ANDREW TONKIN AUS AUSTRALIA 659 651 1310 218.33 Still 100 off the cut, lol

and just in case you think I couldn't do better I got 1 bye into the finals last year with my 2nd qualifying attempt

11th GEORGE FRILINGOS AUSTRALIA 986 246.50

Bowl some decent events and actually win a handful of National Open titles and then I'll let you carry my bags. Not sure who to feel sorry for rooming with Bill in Malaysia, being stuck with you talking crap for a week or having to put up with Bill's 'bert and ernie' laugh. Knock yourself out tiger!
 
Lefty Can't Carry said:
Tonx,
I noticed the scores are very high in Malaysia, but I can only recognize 2 Lefty's of any note. Are there more?

Will a Lefty dominate?
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Anyone who can bowl straight with speed is dominating over here. Most of the women are outscoring the guys. I'd say the typical Australian Lefty would score very well on these types of conditions.

These were during qualifying. During the final, the condition has been changed (deliberately or not, no idea) it seems anyone who knows ball reaction is scoring consistently. Please note, we are on wood.

Medium speed high rev players like myself have had no problem shooting 630-640-650, but eliminating over under made me play an unnatural game for me at the level I currently bowl at. Throwing big strings on this type of condition is very difficult to do, and I was lucky to have more than 5 in a row before a blow out 4-9, 4-10, 10 pin or washout. In these re-entry types of formats, 220 is useless unless it's in the final. This isn't complaining though, as I know my own game deficiencies and will work hard when I get back to improve this type of game.

Bill missed completely with the same issues I had, and Tim Mack only got through in the 1 game desperado squad. On the left, Paeng couldn't find a consistent enough ball reaction to qualify.

The lefties off the top of my head that are in the final are Cassidy Schuab, Alex Liew, Remy Ong. Given the extremety of the names, (most of which I can't pronounce) there is about 6 others, but I just can't name them.

Your issue has nothing at all to do with the conditions. You need to learn how to use less aggressive gear when there is a wall on 10 board, so you can ball up on flatter conditions.

George: LMFAO. Thanks for your kind words. You are fantastic for the future of bowling :D Keep up the great work! Bills 'Bert and Ernie laugh' has won him a world cup. How have you gone? I know the deficiencies in my game, do you know yours?

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ZOLTAN!
 
I didn't say Bill had any problems with his game, the guy likes beer and laughs like Bert, no big deal. Your the one with problems in your game, not Bill. As for me, I'm happy with where I am in the sport, 34 perfectos, over 60 tournament wins, I get by.....

No doubt as an International bowling guru I'll be seeing you in Vegas Tonx in July, or maybe Saudi in April, or the Philippines?
 
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