does anybody know what time this will be on the australian espn?
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GEICO Team shoot out - Battle of the brands!
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luke
Active Member
geez its always the same idiots crapping on. how about you enjoy bowling have a fun positive attitude towards the game. and get your head out of the 1980s and some how find it in your brain to move onto 2010.
in todays world people want to see big scores everything in the world now is glamour and glitz crowds dont want to see 190 games they want to see 240 plus i know thats hard for some of you to understand.. one day i hope australians understand this
negative attitude is killing the game bowling will not exist in five years time. but sure keep on being negative
in todays world people want to see big scores everything in the world now is glamour and glitz crowds dont want to see 190 games they want to see 240 plus i know thats hard for some of you to understand.. one day i hope australians understand this
negative attitude is killing the game bowling will not exist in five years time. but sure keep on being negative
jason_doust
The Bowling Geek
Oh God, we're off topic again, but this statement needs answering because the thinking behind it is fundamentally flawed.
Bread and circuses... (Google it with the words "Ancient Rome" if you don't know what it refers to.) Big scores are OK for TV, but when Joe League with his three games a week expects to average 220 without hitting the same thing twice or anything like a clue about the game (and I've seen it aplenty since coming back), it's just cheating. And like your primary school teacher would have told you, when you cheat, ultimately you cheat yourself.
Thus with the assistance of his centre manager, Joe League cheats himself out of the experience of learning the finer points of bowling, even the basics in some houses. He just gets sold another ball, because he wants to get a higher score, but doesn't want to practice.
The number of players I meet who hold 200 averages on super-soft scoring conditions that don't know how to adjust beyond the balls in their bag is astonishing. They see the simple maths as too much trouble. I even met someone with a 200 average who doesn't aim! I asked what target they were using and they said "I don't use a target." I was gob-smacked.
These questions are begged regarding negativity;
- Is wanting to see bowling return to a more honest playing field with more parts of the lane to play a negative attitude? If so, how?
- Is wanting to delude ourselves about our true ability a positive attitude? Again, how?
It seems to to me that it's vice versa. (Continuing the Roman theme.)
Again, for all the binary thinkers, I'm not pushing sport shots for league, just stating that the walled up lanes eliminate the great hook of bowling and that is the quest for excellence. Make it that pinch tougher (just a pinch) and everything gets more interesting. Read my previous post in this thread on that point. I'm sick of repeating myself.
jimcross
Active Member
What a shame so few will know what you mean, Jason.
( Maybe if we throw in a few lions and gladiators?)
jason_doust
The Bowling Geek
Everything's only a few keystrokes and a bit of reading away with Google and Wikipedia, Jim. I live in hope.
Maybe the lions and gladiators fit better under the "What would you like to See?" thread Lovell started.
Getting back on topic, I like the look of the Brunswick players, as all bar one are comparatively straight. That may work to their advantage with a hot lane surface in the sunshine causing rapid pattern transition and depletion. Angelo looked great in this event last year. Then again, TJ was awesome too, but he's TJ with a camera pointed at him.
Maybe the lions and gladiators fit better under the "What would you like to See?" thread Lovell started.
Getting back on topic, I like the look of the Brunswick players, as all bar one are comparatively straight. That may work to their advantage with a hot lane surface in the sunshine causing rapid pattern transition and depletion. Angelo looked great in this event last year. Then again, TJ was awesome too, but he's TJ with a camera pointed at him.
jimcross
Active Member
jimcross
Active Member
Everything's only a few keystrokes and a bit of reading away with Google and Wikipedia, Jim. I live in hope.
Maybe the lions and gladiators fit better under the "What would you like to See?" thread Lovell started.
Getting back on topic, .
Jason, you were NOT off topic. Haven't you noticed that on this Main Forum there is ONLY ONE topic? It is " Ball Technology and Lane Conditioning !!
It is merely that some people find diversified ways to start threads which then re-open the matter for further discussion.
jason_doust
The Bowling Geek
no. No. NO. NO!
Hey George,
I'm not sure if you caught the GRANDSTAND ACTIVE interview with Jason last Saturday, but he avoided spilling the beans on the outcome of the Team Shootout quite skillfully ... in fairness, I think we should respect the organisers and participants by following Belmo's lead and wait till the series is televised till commenting on the result.
cheers,
lc
I'm not sure if you caught the GRANDSTAND ACTIVE interview with Jason last Saturday, but he avoided spilling the beans on the outcome of the Team Shootout quite skillfully
... in fairness, I think we should respect the organisers and participants by following Belmo's lead and wait till the series is televised till commenting on the result.cheers,
lc
GeorgeF
Hypercell = Hyperhook!
The 102 people who voted Adrian... if you dont, why waste energy typing?
Elsie, no problem, I'll keep it myself
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STORM WINS!
Quoted from www.pba.com
Storm Products climbed the ladder from bottom rung to top, capturing the inaugural Manufacturers’ Cup in the Professional Bowlers Association’s GEICO Team Shootout hosted by Six Flags with a dramatic 167-159 Baker team upset of Brunswick in the title match.
The final two round-robin team matches and the Manufacturers’ Cup stepladder finals aired Sunday on ESPN.
The fourth annual summer special event featured Baker format team bowling where each member of a five-player team bowls two frames to complete a full game. In the GEICO Team Shootout, an “endless 10th frame” bonus feature allowed a team to extend its 10th frame as long as it could continue to throw strikes. The entire series was conducted outdoors on specially-constructed lanes on the grounds of Six Flags Great Adventure.
Coming into the final qualifying round of the event, Brunswick had already locked up the top position for the four-team stepladder final and lost its final round-robin match to 900 Global, 200-194, on the PBA’s Chameleon lane conditioning pattern. Ebonite International sent Storm Products to the lowest rung for the stepladder finals, winning a 205-204 nail-biter on the Cheetah pattern, to give Storm a 2-4 won-lost record. Brunswick finished the round-robin portion of the event with a 4-2 record. Ebonite and 900 Global each had 3-3 records, but Ebonite International earned the No. 2 qualifying position based upon higher actual pinfall during the qualifying rounds.
Fresh off its one-pin loss to Ebonite, Storm took out its frustration on 900 Global in the opening stepladder match, 242-200. As the higher qualifier, 900 Global selected the Cheetah pattern – which it had used successfully earlier in the event – but that decision ultimately played right into Storm’s hands as Rhino Page, anchor Norm Duke, Wes Malott, Jason Belmonte and Pete Weber ran off a string of nine consecutive strikes starting in the fourth frame to post the tournament’s highest score.
“It was a weird event,” Duke said. “In all of our earlier matches, it seemed like we were bowling well enough, but we couldn’t win. We lost three times by one pin. There are so many ways you could find that one pin, and it kinda starts working on your confidence. But Global picked the Cheetah and we got it going.”
In the semifinal round, Storm avenged its earlier loss to Ebonite International, 228-215, again on the Cheetah pattern. Despite a pair of open frames and a scare at the end, Storm put together a pair of four-baggers to charge into the lead. Ebonite had a chance to win after a Chris Barnes strike in the ninth and three more by Tommy Jones in the 10th created an “endless 10th frame” opportunity. Mike Fagan struck on the first “endless” attempt, but Bill O’Neill left a 10 pin on the second shot which ended Ebonite’s comeback bid.
“Ebonite picked the pattern we had just bowled on and shot the biggest game of the event,” Duke said. “We didn’t understand why, but it was good for us. God forbid they had picked the Viper…”
For the championship, Brunswick selected the Chameleon pattern to slow down Storm’s dominance on the Cheetah, but the defensive strategy resulted in an ugly finale. Strikes by Brad Angelo and Carolyn Dorin-Ballard in the first two frames gave Brunswick an early lead, but four open frames in the next seven erased the team’s advantage. In the meantime, Storm also was struggling, posting only two strikes the entire game, but it also had only one open frame heading into the 10th.
“We did well on the Chameleon earlier and when we did that, we figured we’d pick Chameleon for the title match because we wanted tough pattern and we’d be the only ones who had bowled on it,” Brunswick’s Johnny Petraglia said. “We just didn’t get the job done.”
“Outside in that environment, the Chameleon condition changed the most dramatically,” Storm anchor Norm Duke said. “It’s the thinnest application of oil. It was ugly. Everyone was afraid to make a shot because you had no idea how much conditions had changed. You couldn’t guesstimate what to do.”
In the 10th frame, Storm’s Norm Duke left the 2-4-5-8 “bucket” and failed to convert.
“The guys had me anchor because I can throw the ball straighter than anyone else,” Duke said. “I just wanted to get the ball to the pocket, but I over adjusted. I wanted a strike so bad, but I also figured I could make any spare on the left side if I missed. Then I leave the bucket and miss it. I honestly thought they were going to strike out to win, and they almost did.”
Brunswick anchor Sean Rash spared and struck, giving his team an “endless 10th frame” chance to rally. Angelo struck on the next shot, but Dorin-Ballard left the 3 pin on the next shot, ending Brunswick’s hopes.
“We got an early lead, but I left a washout and missed,” Petraglia said. “And it still came down to needing one final strike to win the whole thing. The pressure of Carolyn being only woman, of feeling like you were bowling on a razor blade…there were so many different kinds of pressure on her. But we told her, it was win as a team, lose as a team.
“All of us were throwing that last ball with her,” Petraglia continued. “If we’d gotten one other good shot, we wouldn’t have needed it. Duke let us back into the match when he left the bucket and missed, which shows how tough that condition was. And we still came within one shot of winning it.”
“I’d have been happy having Carolyn make that shot,” Duke said. “She made a great shot. She just didn’t move far enough.”
The competition between rival manufacturers conducted outdoors at one of the Atlantic Coast region’s most popular family theme parks drew raves from the players, regardless of who won.
“It was fantastic, a really great event,” Petraglia beamed. “There was just enough in-your-face competition between teams, but nobody got mad at anyone. It was a terrific atmosphere, and it was great fun to bowl in a team concept again.”
Storm Products players shared an $80,000 first prize and a crystal Manufacturers’ Cup for their sponsoring company.
Quoted from www.pba.com
Storm Products climbed the ladder from bottom rung to top, capturing the inaugural Manufacturers’ Cup in the Professional Bowlers Association’s GEICO Team Shootout hosted by Six Flags with a dramatic 167-159 Baker team upset of Brunswick in the title match.
The final two round-robin team matches and the Manufacturers’ Cup stepladder finals aired Sunday on ESPN.
The fourth annual summer special event featured Baker format team bowling where each member of a five-player team bowls two frames to complete a full game. In the GEICO Team Shootout, an “endless 10th frame” bonus feature allowed a team to extend its 10th frame as long as it could continue to throw strikes. The entire series was conducted outdoors on specially-constructed lanes on the grounds of Six Flags Great Adventure.
Coming into the final qualifying round of the event, Brunswick had already locked up the top position for the four-team stepladder final and lost its final round-robin match to 900 Global, 200-194, on the PBA’s Chameleon lane conditioning pattern. Ebonite International sent Storm Products to the lowest rung for the stepladder finals, winning a 205-204 nail-biter on the Cheetah pattern, to give Storm a 2-4 won-lost record. Brunswick finished the round-robin portion of the event with a 4-2 record. Ebonite and 900 Global each had 3-3 records, but Ebonite International earned the No. 2 qualifying position based upon higher actual pinfall during the qualifying rounds.
Fresh off its one-pin loss to Ebonite, Storm took out its frustration on 900 Global in the opening stepladder match, 242-200. As the higher qualifier, 900 Global selected the Cheetah pattern – which it had used successfully earlier in the event – but that decision ultimately played right into Storm’s hands as Rhino Page, anchor Norm Duke, Wes Malott, Jason Belmonte and Pete Weber ran off a string of nine consecutive strikes starting in the fourth frame to post the tournament’s highest score.
“It was a weird event,” Duke said. “In all of our earlier matches, it seemed like we were bowling well enough, but we couldn’t win. We lost three times by one pin. There are so many ways you could find that one pin, and it kinda starts working on your confidence. But Global picked the Cheetah and we got it going.”
In the semifinal round, Storm avenged its earlier loss to Ebonite International, 228-215, again on the Cheetah pattern. Despite a pair of open frames and a scare at the end, Storm put together a pair of four-baggers to charge into the lead. Ebonite had a chance to win after a Chris Barnes strike in the ninth and three more by Tommy Jones in the 10th created an “endless 10th frame” opportunity. Mike Fagan struck on the first “endless” attempt, but Bill O’Neill left a 10 pin on the second shot which ended Ebonite’s comeback bid.
“Ebonite picked the pattern we had just bowled on and shot the biggest game of the event,” Duke said. “We didn’t understand why, but it was good for us. God forbid they had picked the Viper…”
For the championship, Brunswick selected the Chameleon pattern to slow down Storm’s dominance on the Cheetah, but the defensive strategy resulted in an ugly finale. Strikes by Brad Angelo and Carolyn Dorin-Ballard in the first two frames gave Brunswick an early lead, but four open frames in the next seven erased the team’s advantage. In the meantime, Storm also was struggling, posting only two strikes the entire game, but it also had only one open frame heading into the 10th.
“We did well on the Chameleon earlier and when we did that, we figured we’d pick Chameleon for the title match because we wanted tough pattern and we’d be the only ones who had bowled on it,” Brunswick’s Johnny Petraglia said. “We just didn’t get the job done.”
“Outside in that environment, the Chameleon condition changed the most dramatically,” Storm anchor Norm Duke said. “It’s the thinnest application of oil. It was ugly. Everyone was afraid to make a shot because you had no idea how much conditions had changed. You couldn’t guesstimate what to do.”
In the 10th frame, Storm’s Norm Duke left the 2-4-5-8 “bucket” and failed to convert.
“The guys had me anchor because I can throw the ball straighter than anyone else,” Duke said. “I just wanted to get the ball to the pocket, but I over adjusted. I wanted a strike so bad, but I also figured I could make any spare on the left side if I missed. Then I leave the bucket and miss it. I honestly thought they were going to strike out to win, and they almost did.”
Brunswick anchor Sean Rash spared and struck, giving his team an “endless 10th frame” chance to rally. Angelo struck on the next shot, but Dorin-Ballard left the 3 pin on the next shot, ending Brunswick’s hopes.
“We got an early lead, but I left a washout and missed,” Petraglia said. “And it still came down to needing one final strike to win the whole thing. The pressure of Carolyn being only woman, of feeling like you were bowling on a razor blade…there were so many different kinds of pressure on her. But we told her, it was win as a team, lose as a team.
“All of us were throwing that last ball with her,” Petraglia continued. “If we’d gotten one other good shot, we wouldn’t have needed it. Duke let us back into the match when he left the bucket and missed, which shows how tough that condition was. And we still came within one shot of winning it.”
“I’d have been happy having Carolyn make that shot,” Duke said. “She made a great shot. She just didn’t move far enough.”
The competition between rival manufacturers conducted outdoors at one of the Atlantic Coast region’s most popular family theme parks drew raves from the players, regardless of who won.
“It was fantastic, a really great event,” Petraglia beamed. “There was just enough in-your-face competition between teams, but nobody got mad at anyone. It was a terrific atmosphere, and it was great fun to bowl in a team concept again.”
Storm Products players shared an $80,000 first prize and a crystal Manufacturers’ Cup for their sponsoring company.
