xpense
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Of the 4 teams from the repercharge final, Melton is not listed as competing in the Womens on the weekend.
I am not sure why.
Emerson Shield - 2007
- Thread starter Gatsby
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Of the 4 teams from the repercharge final, Melton is not listed as competing in the Womens on the weekend.
I am not sure why.
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
That's a pity. It is disappointing not to have 10 teams in the final.
xpense
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Cant agree more. This is the first time the final will not field a full set of teams, and l really feel this is partly due to the reduction in zone final spots allocated, that were allocated to the repercharge final, that fizzled out in the womens divisions.
Will wait and see what changes maybe announced on the weekend for next years emerson shield.
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
I kind of have a foot in each camp on this one. The repechage gives more teams a chance to get to the final - our zone is stronger in the Men - 5 of the 10 teams on the weekend are from the Western zone. Dropping the repechage makes it much tougher for me to get the finals.
However, saying that, i also agree that the repechage is probably the reason why we only have 10 teams in the women. A number of teams were prepared to bowl zone and then final but a lot did not want the extra cost of zone / repechage / final and therefore did not nominate once they missed out on automatic qualification through the zone.
I know that we have been down this road before and we are probably no closer to the answer. Western zone currently has seven teams, next year East will lose EFL and Rosebud and probably gain Altona giving them six and the north has six. Maybe for the next year it should be four from the west, three east and three north and no repechage...... i guess after the dust settles from this weekend that will be a whole new thread.
Purple_Tweety
Miss Paige
I'm sorry but I think that not having a full field is crap, when I know that there was one team from our zone who only didn't bowl the repecharge because it was too far to travel for a few games. I'm sure there would be others that could field a team for the final.
Wasn't the point of the having the zone finals was to get the 'best' to the final, and now there's a bye.
I'm sorry but that is very ordinary. I guess the powers that be will change the format yet again and it still won't make people happy.
Oh well, GOMO
Wasn't the point of the having the zone finals was to get the 'best' to the final, and now there's a bye.
I'm sorry but that is very ordinary. I guess the powers that be will change the format yet again and it still won't make people happy.
Oh well, GOMO
xpense
retired
Gary,
maybe we just scrap the zones all together. Here is a novel idea, that l am not sure if it has been put up, and not really going to read 50+ pages to find out....
Why not invite all teams to the state final..... Now l know that with the number of teams competing this would be very hard...... but who says we have to do this over just 1 weekend.....
At present the actual event is held 3 times throughout the year..... to get to be able to be crowned the overall winner of each division.
Why not try to look at say having 2 weekends, one in the middle of the year (aka zones) and 1 at the end of the year (aka state final), visit 2 centres. We play 2 rounds at the state final, this could be completed as 1 round in each centre. It may mean that teams get a couple of hours off, throughout the day at smaller centres, but hey Country cup can do it. this means all teams are competing, we all compete against each other, and everyone gets the chance to have a great weekend away.......
I mean early enough notice, and we could even hold it over 3 days each time, but we would need really notice, to ensure our teams, were able to get the extra day off work.
maybe we just scrap the zones all together. Here is a novel idea, that l am not sure if it has been put up, and not really going to read 50+ pages to find out....
Why not invite all teams to the state final..... Now l know that with the number of teams competing this would be very hard...... but who says we have to do this over just 1 weekend.....
At present the actual event is held 3 times throughout the year..... to get to be able to be crowned the overall winner of each division.
Why not try to look at say having 2 weekends, one in the middle of the year (aka zones) and 1 at the end of the year (aka state final), visit 2 centres. We play 2 rounds at the state final, this could be completed as 1 round in each centre. It may mean that teams get a couple of hours off, throughout the day at smaller centres, but hey Country cup can do it. this means all teams are competing, we all compete against each other, and everyone gets the chance to have a great weekend away.......
I mean early enough notice, and we could even hold it over 3 days each time, but we would need really notice, to ensure our teams, were able to get the extra day off work.
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
Miss Paige -- you certainly are fired up
Have to make sure i don't take you on this weekend - i might not survive :surrender:
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
Good idea Lance
How about you have one full round with every team involved on one weekend (would have to be Men in one centre and women in another though due to number of lanes required). That would be around 16 or 17 games.
Then after that -- you cut to a top 10 teams for the final (two full rounds last weekend in November). That way the best ten teams would get to the final regardless of how strong the zones are. Also if one of the ten is unable to attend the final the 11th team could get asked -- thus eliminating the need for a bye.... all that would work pretty well --- BUT ....... and there is always a big BUT ....
1) It means smaller centres would never get to host anything and from a business point of view what would they get out of it.
2) At least with the current zones the "remoter" (is that a word?) centres only need to travel to Melbourne once and have smaller travel for zones.
I actually think the idea has merit - as long as smaller centres get some compensation / incentive for missing out on linage. Otherwise big get richer and small get poorer
xpense
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Gary,
You could still hold it in the smaller centres. And you could still just use 1 centre over the weekend. It all comes down to planning.
Lets say all goldpin centres nominate. 20 l think that is (not including Rosebud & EFL).
im not sure but l think the smallest Goldpin centre is 12 lanes (please correct me if im wrong) - That means that 6 centres can compete at a time (mens & ladies).
You could break the centres up into zones (for a better word) of 4 teams, play 1 complete round against the other teams in your zones (3 games). Then the next zone does the same. Once all zones have bowled, then you reshuffle the zones, and start again. (just 1 way that you could do it) Hold it over 2 weekends, 1 for each round, even at 2 different centres.
It is all in the planning. It may mean that you are bowling at midnight one night, but hey that's all part of the challenge of it.
Give me a few hours, and l will run some scenarios (if my above assumptions are correct on teams & smallest centre size) as l am sure l can figure this out......
Afterall competing at the smaller centres has to be part of the equation for this to work. And l would rather have both mens & ladies at the 1 location, as many teams contain partners, and holding at 2 locations could impact those people, and you may miss out on both people bowling.
You could still hold it in the smaller centres. And you could still just use 1 centre over the weekend. It all comes down to planning.
Lets say all goldpin centres nominate. 20 l think that is (not including Rosebud & EFL).
im not sure but l think the smallest Goldpin centre is 12 lanes (please correct me if im wrong) - That means that 6 centres can compete at a time (mens & ladies).
You could break the centres up into zones (for a better word) of 4 teams, play 1 complete round against the other teams in your zones (3 games). Then the next zone does the same. Once all zones have bowled, then you reshuffle the zones, and start again. (just 1 way that you could do it) Hold it over 2 weekends, 1 for each round, even at 2 different centres.
It is all in the planning. It may mean that you are bowling at midnight one night, but hey that's all part of the challenge of it.
Give me a few hours, and l will run some scenarios (if my above assumptions are correct on teams & smallest centre size) as l am sure l can figure this out......
Afterall competing at the smaller centres has to be part of the equation for this to work. And l would rather have both mens & ladies at the 1 location, as many teams contain partners, and holding at 2 locations could impact those people, and you may miss out on both people bowling.
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
Colac is only 10 lanes Lance. Sale and Warrnambool 12
Personally i think the less weekends involved the better - easier to organise
Vaughnn - just running scenarios at the moment - if numbers increase then scenario will have to change. I'm sure everyone would like to have the competition same year in year out rather than major changes every year.
Personally i think the less weekends involved the better - easier to organise
Vaughnn - just running scenarios at the moment - if numbers increase then scenario will have to change. I'm sure everyone would like to have the competition same year in year out rather than major changes every year.
xpense
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just means that we need to look at the lane draw.....
Would be highly unlikely though. Rosebud has been sold from what l hear, and the bowl is not a priority for the new owners - l hope im wrong on that rumour, and as Mooroolbark has sold all thier equipment, would be very hard for them to re-open.
Not saying that other new centres could not open, and ask to compete, that is always a possibility. Even current centres may not wish to participate. In the 20 centres l have included greensborough, which has only competed once so far, and that was the year they had a zone final, but have not competed since.
Would be highly unlikely though. Rosebud has been sold from what l hear, and the bowl is not a priority for the new owners - l hope im wrong on that rumour, and as Mooroolbark has sold all thier equipment, would be very hard for them to re-open.
Not saying that other new centres could not open, and ask to compete, that is always a possibility. Even current centres may not wish to participate. In the 20 centres l have included greensborough, which has only competed once so far, and that was the year they had a zone final, but have not competed since.
xpense
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Would you guys get 2 more lanes.... would make it easier, thats for sure.....
Yeah would be good, but 2 weekends is what we have had for all but the 1st year, l think most people are used to it by now. Also with the large number of centres would be very hard to do, unless you made it a 4 or 5 day event.
Could work out, as you could get local business to sponsor the tournament, especially food & motels places, as they would do very well out of the event coming into a country centre.
Would be good. But.......
I think part of the reason behind the changes, is trying to get the right balance, and with 1 zone being so strong, it makes it really hard to get it right.
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
I was suggesting 2 weekends Lance -- just wasn't keen on more than two weekends -- i thought that's what you were suggesting
Two more lanes in Colac -- that would solve a whole heap of problems!! People are still talking about 2003 Country cup when 12 teams (men) had to bowl on 10 lanes.
Aint that the truth!
Two more lanes in Colac -- that would solve a whole heap of problems!! People are still talking about 2003 Country cup when 12 teams (men) had to bowl on 10 lanes.
Aint that the truth!
xpense
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I agree with you, 2 weekends is more than enough. Spend enough time in a bowl now, dont need to add even more weekends, afterall, l want to try and have less weekends in a bowl next year.
Craig - I love your odds!!! Could almost be tempted....
Plus there is grapevine news of two other country centres opening soon also (not sure on timeframes, and already not just planned).
So would that stuff up the numbers, as the bowlers would still be in the same regions!!! Are both the Geelong bowl and Bowlarama counted as seperate??
If some of the Metro bowlers join in the "fun", and bowl in some of the Goldpins, that would also make it interesting, with a handful of places in Melbourne with real power teams.
I think the formula needs some flexibility, as this will allow for the situation of centres becoming stronger and weaker, as bowlers move around, etc.
VB
Plus there is grapevine news of two other country centres opening soon also (not sure on timeframes, and already not just planned).
So would that stuff up the numbers, as the bowlers would still be in the same regions!!! Are both the Geelong bowl and Bowlarama counted as seperate??
If some of the Metro bowlers join in the "fun", and bowl in some of the Goldpins, that would also make it interesting, with a handful of places in Melbourne with real power teams.
I think the formula needs some flexibility, as this will allow for the situation of centres becoming stronger and weaker, as bowlers move around, etc.
VB
xpense
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Here is the list i had in my head of the 20 centres:
1. Narre Warren
2. Altona
3. Epping
4. Greensborough
5. Werribee
6. Melton
7. Colac
8. Warrnambool
9. Sale
10. Horsham
11. Morwell
12. Mildura
13. Shepparton
14. Bendigo
15. Geelong
16. Nth Geelong
17. Albury / Wodonga
18. Mentone
19. Ballarat
20. Echuca
1. Narre Warren
2. Altona
3. Epping
4. Greensborough
5. Werribee
6. Melton
7. Colac
8. Warrnambool
9. Sale
10. Horsham
11. Morwell
12. Mildura
13. Shepparton
14. Bendigo
15. Geelong
16. Nth Geelong
17. Albury / Wodonga
18. Mentone
19. Ballarat
20. Echuca
rychenroller
Active Member
It doesnt need to be so complicated...split the state down the middle, vertically or horizontally, only seeding should really decide. Have your zone, 5 teams go through, have your final.
As for 9 ladies teams Paige, Melton had three ladies withdraw and they couldnt fill the gaps...so they cant bowl. As for the team coming in that finished 11th to come in as first reserve, or even 12th position...would they even want to? were they made aware? Ring Ray, he could probably fill you in, as they may have been asked and declined....who knows.
As for 9 ladies teams Paige, Melton had three ladies withdraw and they couldnt fill the gaps...so they cant bowl. As for the team coming in that finished 11th to come in as first reserve, or even 12th position...would they even want to? were they made aware? Ring Ray, he could probably fill you in, as they may have been asked and declined....who knows.
Gatsby
a.k.a Bary Glack
We talked about this scenario a few months back and could not even get agreement whether to split north south or east west .....
I think it is fair to say most people want to see the repechage dumped but not necessarily go back to the 3 from each zone and def. champs system. It is hard to keep everyone happy i guess.
