Country Cup Format - Does It Need To Change?

[Carmers]

geelong has a population of 120,000
next biggest town i think is bendigo at 50,000
the concept of geelong having 2 teams ain't that silly

I think that the population is now around 210,00 Mr C, hense two bowling centres and teams for each is not a bd idea. As far as I know, once you bowl trials for one, you eliminate the chance to bowl for the other anyways. Hense people will stick with being loyal to one.

 

[Carmers]

Paige...I dont believe so, just goldpin. If not, how do you become a member?
Only saying so because country cup is something I've always wanted to participate in. If there was a way to do it (apart from joining a league at Ballarat or something ) I'd jump at it.

I am pretty sure that unless Melton can become part of the VCTBA (Which I dont think is possible as they are inside the Km's radius of Melbourne), bowling at Ballarat would be just as useless as for CC you have to be a resident of the respective bowl I am pretty sure. May be wrong, but that is what I was led to believe.

 

[Carmers]

i hear the words dying being mentioned
COUNTRY CUP ISN"T DYING
it has floors, namely the BYE
it has years like this one where, a few good players prefer to go fishing instead or refuse to either travel 800km or average 160 - 170

we either fill the bye
or
wodonga goes
quite simple, last in = first to go

At the end of the day, maybe the time factor is the main issue as last year in Bendigo for example, we were done by 12.30ish, which is ok. Maybe this year was just extra long due to machines and oiling etc.

Perhaps the main issue at hand is just replacing the bye with a team that strong enough to step up to the plate.

 

[Purple_Tweety]

I am pretty sure that Nth Geelong is and has enquired about it. I know that they can field teams in all of the respective tournaments that will be as competitive as anyone else as such.

I mentioned that too and was told they were not with the VCTBA so would not be eligible to field a team.

 

[Purple_Tweety]

I am pretty sure that unless Melton can become part of the VCTBA (Which I dont think is possible as they are inside the Km's radius of Melbourne), bowling at Ballarat would be just as useless as for CC you have to be a resident of the respective bowl I am pretty sure. May be wrong, but that is what I was led to believe.

But as Melton is not part of the VCTBA then if Ballarat was the closest centre wouldn't that be following the rule?

 

[Carmers]

I am pretty sure that you have to live withing a radius of the bowl.
Correct me if I am wrong or what the reule actually states someone?

 

[*chook :>*]

gday all why dont u just bowl in a larger centre in melbourne say at easter. this is what we do in sa. adelaide is central 4 every 1. like melb would b 4 u. i'm not sure of ur format (and knowing that u av alot more teams than us). the advantages of a larger centre is that every1 can bowl at once, including jnrs. bowl against all assocaitions 2 - 3 times. we dont regret moving to the city. it certainly beats early mornings/late nites. save money in having the jnrs bowl at the same venue, same weekend.
p.s where can i find the results?
cheers

Hi leononski,
Thanks for your suggestion. There are just a few things I feel should be pointed out here..

* As Adelaide is central for you, Melbourne IS NOT "central" for Victoria. There is a huge difference between distances to Melbourne from the participating country centres. To try and put it in perspective for you, Latrobe Valley travel about 2-3 hrs to Melbourne, Shepparton and Ballarat is about the same... Where Mildura is between 6-7 hrs away and Albury and Wodonga I believe are close to 6hrs aswell.. thats double the distance and financially unfair to those centres/teams further away.

* We have 11 participating teams and a bye in both the mens and ladies so 22 teams and 2 byes making it 24 teams in total for the adults. Our junior CC is 11 teams of mixed boys and girls and 1 bye. Victorias largest centres, both country and city, are (correct me if I'm wrong) 28-30 lanes. To have the adults and the juniors bowl at the same time we would need 36 lane centres, 38-40 if we wanted practice lanes.

* As stated previously, Easter is family time. I think that we would lose alot of bowlers to family commitments.

* And I'm not sure of the complete format, but every team plays eachother twice.





Alicia

 

[Gatsby]

You are right there Gary. However I'm not sure how the Sale association or owner of the bowl would feel about being ejected. Not to mention the bowlers. .

Not trying to suggest we dump Sale - just telling Craig that Sale was last in and not Wodonga as he was stating.

 

[Purple_Tweety]

I am pretty sure that you have to live withing a radius of the bowl.
Correct me if I am wrong or what the reule actually states someone?

We have some bowlers who travel from Benalla which is 45 mins drive to Shepp, which is the closest bowl, that would make them ineligible if it was a radius ruling! So I don't know about that. But then on the other side Echuca is around a similar distance and they have their own bowl, which is not a member of Country Cup so where does that put someone travelling from Echuca to bowl for Shepp?

 

[Purple_Tweety]

Not trying to suggest we dump Sale - just telling Craig that Sale was last in and not Wodonga as he was stating.

This is nothing against Albury but they are NSW.... I don't believe you can just dump sn association from competing.

 

[L G]

Paige,
This rule is in place for a few reasons.

To stop metro bowlers participating.

And to stop say a disgruntled bowler from, for example, Shepparton bowling for another association that is not to far away.

As far as Benalla goes they can bowl as long as they register with your association first.

Echuca would be the same as I do not think they are part of VCTBA (correct me if I am wrong) but I would seek clarification from the VCTBA committee first.


Rob
(on Lisa's PC)

 

[grumpie]

Not trying to suggest we dump Sale - just telling Craig that Sale was last in and not Wodonga as he was stating.

It's OK Gary as I knew that was not what you meant but I know some of our bowlers would read this and possibly get the wrong idea. They only read but don't talk.........

I did however remember (to set the record straight) that the original association CGTBA and the then owner of the bowl had a falling out. A new association was started in 2000 which was then called Sale Tenpin Bowling Assoc. When Ross bought the bowl in 2002 (I think) the Sale and Area Tenpin Bowling Assoc was then formed due to some other crap. So technically the last assoc to join was Sale and not Wodonga.

It seems like a lot of people at Sale have forgotten how to just enjoy the game.........

Liz

 

[rychenroller]

Rob, for a few years I've been contemplating bowling at either Geelong or Ballarat to be able to bowl in country cup among other things (not the only reason but one of the main ones). There is an actual rule in place that stops me from doing this because I live in Melton? Cheers, Adam.

 

[bowlrig]

Hey Adam,
How is the big smoke going?

Yep, the rule that is in place state's that you must reside within the boundaries of the Association for 6 months prior to Country Cup.

Rob.

PS...... What was the orange colored ball you were using at Ballarat?

 

[rychenroller]

Hey Rob, thx for the reply. Now at least I know before I join any league at Ballarat/Geelong.

Ball was Lanemasters/Legends Satisfaxion...drilled label leverage (3 3/8x4 1/2 in my case).

 

[ThEOnE]

Any thoughts on the idea of letting in the 12th team, having games on Friday?
Possibily could be 4 friday 2x4 saturday 2x4 and then only 3 on Monday or maybe 2x3 fri,2x3 sat 2x3 sun 1x3 and 1x2 on Mon?
The variations for early finishes at night or early finishes on monday are endless depending on what we want.

 

[ThEOnE]

Sorry should have noted they do add up to 23 rounds, that is i thought a positional round sounded cool, 2 rounds make 22 plus positional

 

[Woza]

Any thoughts on the idea of letting in the 12th team, having games on Friday?
Possibily could be 4 friday 2x4 saturday 2x4 and then only 3 on Monday or maybe 2x3 fri,2x3 sat 2x3 sun 1x3 and 1x2 on Mon?
The variations for early finishes at night or early finishes on monday are endless depending on what we want.

In the current constitution you are not allowed to bowl games on Friday - I believe

 

[Woza]

Hey Adam,
How is the big smoke going?
Yep, the rule that is in place state's that you must reside within the boundaries of the Association for 6 months prior to Country Cup.
Rob.

I didnt think that this rule got voted in, Alot of people believe it to be true but from my understanding it is not in the constitution - could be wrong.

The only controlling factors that I believe to be in the constitution are that you can not reside within 60km radius of the city centre and it is where you pay your TBA registration portion.
Ie if I lived in Geelong and bowled at both Geelong and Werribee - If i pay my TBA portion at Weribee (you only pay the TBA portion once) then I am ineligible to bowl for Geelong. (even though you are a member of both associations) If I pay my TBA portion at Geelong then I am eligible to bowl CCup.
At present we have a couple of Sale Bowlers bowling in Morwell and as they paid their TBA portion at Sale then that is who they represent for CCup. If they had paid it at Morwell then they could only represent Morwell.
Essentially I could live in Morwell (reside more than 60km from the city center) and bowl for arguments sake Sunraysia - provided that I met all their other nomination criteria. (At Morwell you have to have had bowled i a local league for the previous 2 seasons and continue to bowl in a local league and have competed in the local championships)

Hope this clears it up. Essentially first criteria is that you have to live more than 60Km from the city centre and secondally meet all the requirements of the Country Association nominations.

 

[Purple_Tweety]

Woza, I believe that was the case but has been changed this year back to a residential ruling but not 100% sure on the wording. As we have some out of town bowlers, this amendment to the rule now prohibits them from bowling country cup for our association.