5 Person Teams - Selecting the line-up

[Andrew S.]

Most 5 person team competitions allow 5 persons to be picked in the lineup from a team of 7 available.
This generally means that some team members get more games than others.

There are however some tournaments where all team members are required to bowl a minimum number of games in the lineup.

Could we please see some forum opinions on these two different sets of rules?

 

[Jase]

Good post Andrew...


I think that if you have 7 to form a team of 5 its always going to be hard to give everyone an equal amount of games…I think you/we all know that before we go away that you may be limited to the amount of games you get depending on form…

We go away to WIN these events and if that is the case you need you best 5 in that line up at all times, especially if Petersen points are awarded…To make it a ruling that everyone should get an equal amount of games or a minimum amount then that then comes down to good management skills…

There are for and against for both sides …I believe that if you are in a 5 man teams comp then why not take away 6 and a manager that can bowl…Letting the manager know that they are there wholly and solely for just that and don’t expect games unless someone is injured…That way 6 guys have a fair chance of getting equal amount of games for the period of the competition…

 

[GeorgeF]

I think you got to remember its a team sport and if 5 bowlers fire for 3 days and they win they have reached their objective. Minimum games per bowler is for juniors or minor competitions where the focus maybe more on having fun and participating.

At Rachuig or similar, the best 5 should bowl period. Just like soccer, football, basketball, etc etc The coach places the best 5 on lane where possible, if that means no changes to the line up so be it.

Just my 2 cents

 

[speedwaystar]

your right there jase we have a roll off and top 5 usually mean your first game players 6th qualifier knows they might not get a game and your 7th bowler is usually manager but in saying that theres never been a time when the 6th bowler hasnt got a game.the thing is if you put the effort into fundraising before hand the cost never becomes an issue to that 6th bowler but in the end they stiil get a trophy and bragging rights if you win

 

[chucker]

the way you win these events is actually to get the best out of your 7 bowlers and not how many games anyone gets. using your 7 bowlers to thier best abiltities is the answer and anyone who is more worried about how many games they get is not a team bowler!
cheers

 

[Gatsby]

Emerson shield is based on 5 man teams (total of 7 in a team - playing head to head for points plus two for pinfall - 7 pts per game). It is 18 games with 50% minimum rule - everyone must bowl at least 9 games but no maximum limit.

In theory 3 bowlers could bowl all 18 and the other 4 could still get their 9 games up if you juggled it correctly.

In my opinion this totally favours the stronger centres. I come from a pretty small centre that only has about 100 male bowlers and we just don't have the same depth of bowlers that the bigger centres have got. We have two or three guys around 200 mark but by the time we get down to our seventh bowler it has dropped to around 170. Some of the other teams have all 7 bowlers above 190. 170 versus 190 will lose more points than they win.

Whilst i love bowling Emerson shield i would prefer to have more flexibility with team selection. It means that you have to bowl people regardless of whether they are bowling crap or bowling well - not always good for the teams final placing.

 

[The Bert]

a minimum amount of games should be the way to go for team events, the 7 bowlers qualified for the right to bowl in a "team" event why could they be apart of a team if the only contributed to 1 or 2 games out of 10+ if you bowl 2 games your a crowd member with a team shirt on if you dont get a right to prove yourself to why you made the team....

Whilst i love bowling Emerson shield i would prefer to have more flexibility with team selection. It means that you have to bowl people regardless of whether they are bowling crap or bowling well - not always good for the teams final placing.

it is actually more correct in showing which state/center/team is the best
cause they bowled as a team instead of 5 people out of 7 bowling with a few breaks in between games...

 

[Hammer]

I think that if you select your best possible 7 that is available/eligible, than you can't go wrong with line ups as the team knows that there here because they were selected as the best, so team should gel and you know if one is failing than you have a suitable reserve to go to, just my thoughts

 

[double_d]

i was in deveer where you had a mininum amount of games per person which
was good to know that you werent travelling to tassie hopeing to get some games
but on the other hand i just came back from an association challenge in 8 ball pool
where i made the team of 8 but was the least strongest player
i played 8 out of a possible 27 games and won 5 of them
we went undefeated all weekend until a tie in grand final then lost play off
but i know if i had of played more games there was more of a chance that the team would not have been in grand final
so i was prepared to do this for the team and association
also it only cost me around $300 for the weekend so that helped aswell

daniel d

 

[speedwaystar]

someone mentioned it before if your a small town your not necessarily going to get 7 great bowlers so it should just come down to who's bowling well at the time stays on it might not be far but you play these tournaments to win

 

[Gatsby]

it is actually more correct in showing which state/center/team is the best
cause they bowled as a team instead of 5 people out of 7 bowling with a few breaks in between games...

In the case of Emerson, i fully acknowledge that we are not the best center. That is my point. For us to be competitive with the stronger centres we need to be able to bowl our best five and not be made to bowl people that are struggling.

In our case we don't have a roll off that is attended by 20 people and the top 7 get to bowl. We struggle just to field 7 so as a result our depth is not as good as others. I know that 7 bowlers with a 50% minimum games is the rule for the tournament and i am happy to abide by that - i just wanted to give one negative view of that format.

Positive views of that format is that everyone that spends money to go away is guaranteed to get games. Also, all teams are in the same position so it means tactics are involved - do you bowl your out of form bowlers against lower teams and hope you still win, or do you just use a "low man out" each game system.

I have also played in events where you can bowl anyone in any game. We had one year where we won the tournament (by 0.5pts) with one bowler only getting 4 games out of 18. He was just as important a member of the team as anyone else. He knew he was struggling on the lanes, so he was extremely supportive and encouraging off the lanes. His positive attitude and the fact that we were able to bowl players in better form meant we won. I reckon in his case he was happier to go home with a winners medal and only 4 games than us finishing second or third and him bowling 9 games - because he was a team player who did what was best for the team.

 

[Playa]

the way you win these events is actually to get the best out of your 7 bowlers and not how many games anyone gets. using your 7 bowlers to thier best abiltities is the answer and anyone who is more worried about how many games they get is not a team bowler!
cheers

Totally Agree.