Rule for off spot pins

[nls]

can't say that I look up the rules very often but this is one of those things were I always thought the was right appears to be different to the rule book.....Just want to make sure I am not missing something.

When the pins are off spot (but still standing) as a result of machinery malfunction are you entitled to a re-spot or do you play it where it stands ? eg you bowl and leave 6-10 and the machinery moves the 6 pin left and widens the gap between these pins.

I always thought that no re-spot was available if pins moved as a result of ball or other pins but was available if a result of machinery malfunction. If you read rule 111 it indicates that no re-spots are allowed even if moved by machinery. It is that simple ? Or is there another rule somewhere that covers this situation ?

Thanks

 

[jl]

I was always under the impression that the pin could only be re-stood in its original position if the pinspotter, and pinspotter only, caused a pin to be knocked over.

If the pinspotter is moving the pins off a solid spare leave, then I would be requesting the pinspotter be fixed by a technician straight away

 

[Hooligan]

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[RobbieB]

I just checked rule 111, because I know for a fact that the rule used to be that a pin moved by a pinsetter could be replaced on its original spot. There was even a thread about this a long time ago (ten years) when I had a pin replaced at the SunCity. Maybe that was back in ATBC days, but 111 is dfferent from the then rule and there does not seem to be a revision note for it. It's also totally wrong IMO - you shouldn't be penalised for a pinsetter malfunction.

 

[jimcross]

I just checked rule 111, because I know for a fact that the rule used to be that a pin moved by a pinsetter could be replaced on its original spot. There was even a thread about this a long time ago (ten years) when I had a pin replaced at the SunCity. Maybe that was back in ATBC days, but 111 is dfferent from the then rule and there does not seem to be a revision note for it. It's also totally wrong IMO - you shouldn't be penalised for a pinsetter malfunction.

I agree absolutely about that part of rule 111 being totally wrong in principal. To have a pin moved by some outside agency not able to be respotted is not only totally unfair, it is, in a word - stupid.
I have difficulty believing the rule has always been like that. Anyone got an old ATBC rulebook? I might have one somewhere, I'll have a search.

 

[nls]

I have just pulled out a 1995 ATBC rule book and rule 8.2 says that pins can be re-spot if the machinery moves the pin......would love to know the logic behind the rule change or when it was changed......

 

[jimcross]

"would love to know the logic behind the rule change "

That will be a unique day in the life of the planet, when someone can find 'logic' buried in there somewhere. There are fingerprints all over that change. I think I know whose they are. TBA, I'm sure someone must monitor this site. Please do what is sensible and amend the current rule.

 

[RobbieB]

The current TBA rule matches the WTBA rule, so I can't see it being changed anytime soon regardless of the lack of common sense.