Rachuig next year - new team is?
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Pedro
The whisper is correct. This was announced at the Rachuig Dinner last Thursday evening.
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Pedro
My understanding of this is that the Australian Nationals must stay in Australia and that the 10th team will be an invited team and may well vary each year, ie Singapore, Guam or even a combined Australian Team formed by those that didn't make thie own state team.
RobbieB
Rodentus scientificus
OK - not bagging anyone, but I can see a potential problem with this. Rachuig is a high prestige tournament in Australia, which is why many of our top players choose to compete. A team from NZ may have the same level of desire, seeing as how they love to give us aussies a kicking whenever possible. Similarly, my suggestion of sending the Pres Shield allstar team would result in a team that _wanted_ to bowl the tournament.
Now, why would a team from Singapore, Hong Kong or Guam _want_ to bowl in a tournament that they have probably never heard of, has no prize money, that they would have to pay thier own way to, and that they couldn't care less about? Maybe a little harsh, but you get the idea. Whatever the extra team, it needs to be permanent so that a Rachuig 'tradition' can start in that area. Putting together a makeshift extra team from whatever is convenient or available runs the risk of devaluing the entire tournament, IMHO.
Again, I'm not having a go at anyone, or bagging the idea of the extra team, but I think it's important that the extra team becomes a PART of Rachuig, not just a meaningless pacer.
Now, why would a team from Singapore, Hong Kong or Guam _want_ to bowl in a tournament that they have probably never heard of, has no prize money, that they would have to pay thier own way to, and that they couldn't care less about? Maybe a little harsh, but you get the idea. Whatever the extra team, it needs to be permanent so that a Rachuig 'tradition' can start in that area. Putting together a makeshift extra team from whatever is convenient or available runs the risk of devaluing the entire tournament, IMHO.
Again, I'm not having a go at anyone, or bagging the idea of the extra team, but I think it's important that the extra team becomes a PART of Rachuig, not just a meaningless pacer.
Whilst this horse has already long bolted....
What grounds were given for a team to come from Nth Qld...
I know of other possible zones that could have put forward a stronger case for inclusion than the tip of Qld...
The splitting of the state takes away a little bit of the gloss to the tournament in that its no longer State v State.... or Territory v Territory....
Just a thought...
What grounds were given for a team to come from Nth Qld...
I know of other possible zones that could have put forward a stronger case for inclusion than the tip of Qld...
The splitting of the state takes away a little bit of the gloss to the tournament in that its no longer State v State.... or Territory v Territory....
Just a thought...
Graham
Staff member
There was a lot of discussion about the fact that the bowlers in North Qld had to travel a long way if they wanted to be part of a state team. The fact that Townsville is almost 1400kms by road from Brisbane puts this case into perspective (it is around 1000kms Brisbane -> Sydney). If there are other states around the country where bowlers had to travel this distance just to rolloff for their own state team, and then get to the training sessions (a requirement) and try and bond with their state team members I don't know of them. It is probably similar to a bowler living in Adelaide and trying out for the NSW team in Sydney. That's the distances involved and I don't know of how many other states (that have a visable bowler base) that would have the travel worries involved.
Another thing is to also encourage the bowlers coming through in North Queensland (juniors). TBA have already addressed the step of the losing the bowlers Junior -> Youth by having the YOuth challenge (whether it is successful or not .. who knows) and I think this might be trying to keep the Youth in Nth Qld to continue bowling into their adult years.
I'm not saying that other states don't have a case, just that Nth Qld did have a pretty good case.
Hope all this makes sense.
Another thing is to also encourage the bowlers coming through in North Queensland (juniors). TBA have already addressed the step of the losing the bowlers Junior -> Youth by having the YOuth challenge (whether it is successful or not .. who knows) and I think this might be trying to keep the Youth in Nth Qld to continue bowling into their adult years.
I'm not saying that other states don't have a case, just that Nth Qld did have a pretty good case.
Hope all this makes sense.
Tiger
Active Member
From what I can gather by reading this is - that possibly New Zealand will come into Rachuig very soon - to eliminate the Bye.
Possibly overseas teams from the Asia Pacific will be invited to join in periodic years.
And that possibly a Walter Rachuig Tournament will be held outside of Australia - as opposed to the TBA Nationals which are required to be held with the Commonwealth of Australia.
To be honest I hope Rachuig doesn't end up being played in New Zealand because you hear countless stories of players not rolling off for Rachuig now because of the financial costs involved - even though it is still played in Australia - especially those in the more geographically isolated states.
My main concern would be that if it were to be played across the Tasman - how many more players would not play due to the financial cost?
After all didn't Northern Territory have to introduce a draft because of lack of numbers last year?
Talk in recent times is that Tasmania will be struggling to make the required numbers for Rachuig next year because of the cost involved in getting to Townsville - one hopes that will change closer to roll-offs but, who knows.
I would think the best solution is to bring in North Queensland as they seem to have a lot of centres up there - and have hosted the Nationals on several occasions.
Also too, there is the massive distance from North Queensland to Brisbane to consider - for those bowlers up there to travel to Roll-offs/Training etc, would be like bowlers from Hobart travelling to Bendigo, Victoria every second week to play.....Too Far.
Plus it would liven up the sport up there and give the Juniors something to aspire too.
I would really love to see another Nationals/Rachuig held down here in Tasmania - something for our younger bowlers (Those of them who have never experienced the colour of the Nats being held at Moonah as I have) to aspire to and enjoy.
The extremely raucous crowds of 1983-1990-1991 at Moonah are experiences I will never forget......Especially the tremendous roar when Tasmania won the President Shield in 1990 - when Andrew Tylutki ripped the rack to bring the house down....1991 when Tasmania Rachuig player Steve Unsworth had a bit of biffo with Graham Pollard from ACT which resulted in paper cups and plenty of advice flying from the stand - and was the nearest thing to English Soccer in Tenpin Bowling....to eventual Australian Masters Champion of that Year Peter Van Kempen's (NSW) protest (relating to a disputed call of a pinspotter knocking a late falling pin over) during the last game of Masters matchplay against local hope Paul Lucock - which saw Lucock have to rebowl the match and lose to Van Kempen - she was almost on again in the crowd.....A Truly Amazing Atmosphere :wink:
When you relate stories such as these to the young bowlers of today.....they all wish they'd seen it or were there.....A Pity Really.
Let ALL Australians sample and enjoy what is the greatest tournament in Australian Bowling before we decide to take it off-shore.
Just my opinion :roll:
Possibly overseas teams from the Asia Pacific will be invited to join in periodic years.
And that possibly a Walter Rachuig Tournament will be held outside of Australia - as opposed to the TBA Nationals which are required to be held with the Commonwealth of Australia.
To be honest I hope Rachuig doesn't end up being played in New Zealand because you hear countless stories of players not rolling off for Rachuig now because of the financial costs involved - even though it is still played in Australia - especially those in the more geographically isolated states.
My main concern would be that if it were to be played across the Tasman - how many more players would not play due to the financial cost?
After all didn't Northern Territory have to introduce a draft because of lack of numbers last year?
Talk in recent times is that Tasmania will be struggling to make the required numbers for Rachuig next year because of the cost involved in getting to Townsville - one hopes that will change closer to roll-offs but, who knows.
I would think the best solution is to bring in North Queensland as they seem to have a lot of centres up there - and have hosted the Nationals on several occasions.
Also too, there is the massive distance from North Queensland to Brisbane to consider - for those bowlers up there to travel to Roll-offs/Training etc, would be like bowlers from Hobart travelling to Bendigo, Victoria every second week to play.....Too Far.
Plus it would liven up the sport up there and give the Juniors something to aspire too.
I would really love to see another Nationals/Rachuig held down here in Tasmania - something for our younger bowlers (Those of them who have never experienced the colour of the Nats being held at Moonah as I have) to aspire to and enjoy.
The extremely raucous crowds of 1983-1990-1991 at Moonah are experiences I will never forget......Especially the tremendous roar when Tasmania won the President Shield in 1990 - when Andrew Tylutki ripped the rack to bring the house down....1991 when Tasmania Rachuig player Steve Unsworth had a bit of biffo with Graham Pollard from ACT which resulted in paper cups and plenty of advice flying from the stand - and was the nearest thing to English Soccer in Tenpin Bowling....to eventual Australian Masters Champion of that Year Peter Van Kempen's (NSW) protest (relating to a disputed call of a pinspotter knocking a late falling pin over) during the last game of Masters matchplay against local hope Paul Lucock - which saw Lucock have to rebowl the match and lose to Van Kempen - she was almost on again in the crowd.....A Truly Amazing Atmosphere :wink:
When you relate stories such as these to the young bowlers of today.....they all wish they'd seen it or were there.....A Pity Really.
Let ALL Australians sample and enjoy what is the greatest tournament in Australian Bowling before we decide to take it off-shore.
Just my opinion :roll:
Luke D
The Reflecting God
just one thought i had while reading this is along the lines of the cost issue with the inclusion of NZ, even though i'm for the kiwi "invasion", is that like others have said, the geographically-challenged states/teams (Tasmania, NQ and WA) would have a hell of a time trying to come up with the cash to get over to NZ, and vice-versa for NZ when it occurs in one of these other states etc... and as if its not a hardship nowadays
just my thoughts.
Luke
just my thoughts.
Luke
I have to say there have been some good points for and against the inclusion of 'International' teams. While I think this would be great, I think the negatives outweigh the positives.
Personally, I think an All Star team from President's Shield is an excellent idea. Why not invite the 5 All Star Boys & 5 All Star Girls, along with the Masters Winners & Runners Up to form the last team to take on everyone else. This would be great experience for them and hopefully give them motivation to stick at it and make there respective Rachuig teams the following year. If the Masters Winners/Runner Up's were also in the All Stars team, just take the next 1 or 2 averages from shield ......
Any have any opinions - Good or bad ..... post here!
Personally, I think an All Star team from President's Shield is an excellent idea. Why not invite the 5 All Star Boys & 5 All Star Girls, along with the Masters Winners & Runners Up to form the last team to take on everyone else. This would be great experience for them and hopefully give them motivation to stick at it and make there respective Rachuig teams the following year. If the Masters Winners/Runner Up's were also in the All Stars team, just take the next 1 or 2 averages from shield ......
Any have any opinions - Good or bad ..... post here!
ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE...
As a junior bowler (early 1980's if not 1980), I bowled in the presidents shield tournament held in hobart (flight overthere gave me nightmares for a while as my team-mates may remember)...
BUT - there was a US contingent there (LA junior touring side) - the "AUSTRALIAN" team that played them was made up of a member from each state/territory who was 'sitting that one out' for their own team...
From memory that was a big success - "THE KOALA CUP" I am pretty sure it was called - and I came away from that tournament with a "REPRESENTED AUSTRALIA" certificate for a game played against them.
Great experience, and as a junior a reall buzz...
I think the TBA could do a lot worse than to encourage international participation on any level...
BROWNY from http://www.10pinbowling.com
As a junior bowler (early 1980's if not 1980), I bowled in the presidents shield tournament held in hobart (flight overthere gave me nightmares for a while as my team-mates may remember)...
BUT - there was a US contingent there (LA junior touring side) - the "AUSTRALIAN" team that played them was made up of a member from each state/territory who was 'sitting that one out' for their own team...
From memory that was a big success - "THE KOALA CUP" I am pretty sure it was called - and I came away from that tournament with a "REPRESENTED AUSTRALIA" certificate for a game played against them.
Great experience, and as a junior a reall buzz...
I think the TBA could do a lot worse than to encourage international participation on any level...
BROWNY from http://www.10pinbowling.com
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The Ref
To all you people out there
" WAKE UP "
The Australian Championships would never be held in New Zealand. And so as Rachuig is part of these said Championships, it will never be held there either.
Im all for the Kiwis or another country for that matter being invited to play in Rachuig and im sure if asked these other countries would jump at the chance.
As it is we already have people from the Island Country of Tasmania who play in our Rachuig so why not invite another country. LMAO
Til Next Time
Rob T
" WAKE UP "
The Australian Championships would never be held in New Zealand. And so as Rachuig is part of these said Championships, it will never be held there either.
Im all for the Kiwis or another country for that matter being invited to play in Rachuig and im sure if asked these other countries would jump at the chance.
As it is we already have people from the Island Country of Tasmania who play in our Rachuig so why not invite another country. LMAO
Til Next Time
Rob T
Yes we have been invited to compete in the Rachuig. A priviledge that the TBA has granted us on this side of the Tasman, that is greatly appreciated, and is going to be treated with the respect that it deserves. But rest assured that we not want to host the Rachuig, just compete in an event that is apparently one of the best annual championships held in this part of the world.
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Pedro
The Board of Tenpin Bowling Australia have recognised the enormous amount of talent , registered players and supporting bowling centres in North Queensland and have expanded this competition in line with President’s Shield and National Youth Team Challenge.
During 2003 North and South Queensland will have their own Rachuig Teams.
New Zealand has been invited to fill the 10th position for 2003 and are eagerly awaiting the opportunity to compete in this event.
The Walter Rachuig Trophy is a unique Australian event which has provided the stepping stone and competition for some of our best Australian Team representatives, it will always remain in Australia.
During 2003 North and South Queensland will have their own Rachuig Teams.
New Zealand has been invited to fill the 10th position for 2003 and are eagerly awaiting the opportunity to compete in this event.
The Walter Rachuig Trophy is a unique Australian event which has provided the stepping stone and competition for some of our best Australian Team representatives, it will always remain in Australia.
bm2
I'm still standin'
And DeVeer????
It again sadly ranks a mention, yet the word is we too are to have a north and south Qld side competing, supposedly only 2 rounds over 3 days......do we get a kiwi contigent to make up the 10th side, or do we just make do and play the bye???????
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It again sadly ranks a mention, yet the word is we too are to have a north and south Qld side competing, supposedly only 2 rounds over 3 days......do we get a kiwi contigent to make up the 10th side, or do we just make do and play the bye???????
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Pedro
This post is entitled Rachuig Next Year . . . new teams is???
A similar post re 2003 De Veer has been placed under it's own post here.
A similar post re 2003 De Veer has been placed under it's own post here.
Luke D
The Reflecting God
just wondering then what the format would be for rachuig next year with the inclusion of Nth Qld and NZ.
would it just be 9 games each day and still play each other 3 times or possibly even have the tournament stretched to 4 days (7 games first 3 days then 6 on the final day) so the fatigue factor wouldn't creep in as much and give the bowlers the chance to perform at their peak throughout the matches???
just curious to find out.
Luke.
would it just be 9 games each day and still play each other 3 times or possibly even have the tournament stretched to 4 days (7 games first 3 days then 6 on the final day) so the fatigue factor wouldn't creep in as much and give the bowlers the chance to perform at their peak throughout the matches???
just curious to find out.
Luke.
