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Ducati 851
I agree so much, but its a tough subject, i recently got a ball drilled, with a hook so late that it nearly disables the weight block, so doesnt hook sharp at all, and i bowled great, so yeah are limits on coverstocks and weight blocks gonna change anything, people will adjust, and others will winge and cry, so its like a double edged knife, until we make this a sport with ability like mr smith will it ever go forward, i am voting for heavier pins, and harder conditions,
Look lets be reasonable, crankers...god bless them. are carrying this sport, everybody wants to watch them , every kid wants to be them, someone actually said to me the other day, they should have different divisions of pba bowlers based on how many revs they throw, interesting comment i thought, but its impossible, and if you restrict balls, it sort of seems to favor high rev bowlers, so wheres the even ground?
Look lets be reasonable, crankers...god bless them. are carrying this sport, everybody wants to watch them , every kid wants to be them, someone actually said to me the other day, they should have different divisions of pba bowlers based on how many revs they throw, interesting comment i thought, but its impossible, and if you restrict balls, it sort of seems to favor high rev bowlers, so wheres the even ground?
But can you do that consistanly, hit a target, carry the pins and continue though 10 games of play?
Marshall is right, there is nothing more exciting than watching a power play get going, the funny thing is, the power players generally have a little extra to their game, a little charisma that they arent affraid to let out.
Ive been bowling for over 10 years now and i have seen personally a dramatic decline in interaction on the lanes. Once upon a time things were noisy, people were cheering, everyone was psyched up and ready to go, when the crankers let rip and got on a roll they pulled everyone with them, their team mates, crowds watching, even people from other lanes.
There are very few exciting players out there today, and i dont judge excitement by a top bowler throwing the same casual shot and shoot telephone numbers. The exciting player is the one who shows a little emotion and posesses a little flare, they are prepared to attack the lanes and are not affraid of arching up a little when they get going.
There used to be juniors around who were like this when i was just coming through the sport. Just from the qld area, i have to ask, where have all the matty's, harley's, chris's, mick's and brett's gone?
Marshall is right, there is nothing more exciting than watching a power play get going, the funny thing is, the power players generally have a little extra to their game, a little charisma that they arent affraid to let out.
Ive been bowling for over 10 years now and i have seen personally a dramatic decline in interaction on the lanes. Once upon a time things were noisy, people were cheering, everyone was psyched up and ready to go, when the crankers let rip and got on a roll they pulled everyone with them, their team mates, crowds watching, even people from other lanes.
There are very few exciting players out there today, and i dont judge excitement by a top bowler throwing the same casual shot and shoot telephone numbers. The exciting player is the one who shows a little emotion and posesses a little flare, they are prepared to attack the lanes and are not affraid of arching up a little when they get going.
There used to be juniors around who were like this when i was just coming through the sport. Just from the qld area, i have to ask, where have all the matty's, harley's, chris's, mick's and brett's gone?
Exactly, and it is a damn shame.
It is one thing to keep your emotions hidden when you are deep into a masters tournament (even then it was awesome to see some of these guys let loose when they got on a roll), but i mean, come on, where does it say you have to be a bloody robot.
I know a few people who left bowling simply because it wasnt fun anymore, tastes change, priorities change, if there is no real enjoyment out of it, why bother?
Some people seriously need to liven up a little and enjoy their bowling, it wouldnt seem like such a serious sport to people outside of the bowling circle, who knows, they might even want to join in if they dont feel this constant air of serious, rip your head off and use it for my ten pin, type competitiveness all the time.
It is one thing to keep your emotions hidden when you are deep into a masters tournament (even then it was awesome to see some of these guys let loose when they got on a roll), but i mean, come on, where does it say you have to be a bloody robot.
I know a few people who left bowling simply because it wasnt fun anymore, tastes change, priorities change, if there is no real enjoyment out of it, why bother?
Some people seriously need to liven up a little and enjoy their bowling, it wouldnt seem like such a serious sport to people outside of the bowling circle, who knows, they might even want to join in if they dont feel this constant air of serious, rip your head off and use it for my ten pin, type competitiveness all the time.
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Ducati 851
This thread will go on forever, ok things that need fixing, too many 300's , its getting boring, nobody wants to watch it, imjust gonna liist some things that have been suggested my me and other bowlers
1 . Tougher conditions
2. Heavier Pins
3. Burn the conduct rules
4. NO) SILENCE
5. Christ im falling asleep can we pump out some zeppelin
6. Hey you...scarecrow with abowling ball.....do you have a personality
7. Its just a game...lighten up
8. Isnt there an abundance of skirt on the lanes.....?
9. A bookie system, come and place your bets
1 . Tougher conditions
2. Heavier Pins
3. Burn the conduct rules
4. NO) SILENCE
5. Christ im falling asleep can we pump out some zeppelin
6. Hey you...scarecrow with abowling ball.....do you have a personality
7. Its just a game...lighten up
8. Isnt there an abundance of skirt on the lanes.....?
9. A bookie system, come and place your bets
Thats not really what he is saying here (remember the article is written by someone else, marshall is just referred to in quotes from an interview).
Marshall is saying that power players are being taken out of the game, the game is much more exciting with them in it reguardless if 300's are being shot every single week and reguardless of what ball is in their hands. He is one of the few people who accept that balls and technology is here to stay, nothing is going to reverse that, but he wants more improvements placed on lane conditions and technology development here. Read the comments about sport conditions and how a lot of bowlers around today wouldnt be able to succeed in his perfect PBA (one with oil which only increases the inaccuracy of someone not being able to hit a target while maintaining revs).
What he is saying is that bowling is exciting with the big scores and the big power players going, the issue of scores dont even come into it until later in the article (and even then it is a shot at how ball technology has increased to allow anyone to rev a ball, but it has still shut out those players who learnt the craft and can really cover some boards due to lane advancements lacking behind).
What he is simply saying is that scores should not be the focus of the issue of getting bowling back into the spotlight, he is saying you need a draw card, some atmoshpere, some flare, something exciting to watch. Guys reving the ball up, sending it coast to coast and destroying the lane are exciting, not just because of the wild shots (and holy cow you dont get any wilder than smith), but because of their attitudes and the whole stigma they bring to the game.
He is dissapointed that, with the number of power players on the tour, they have simply dont have the conditions for them to bowl on. He is saying that power players have been shut out of the game with many of them resorting to weaker deliveries in order to remain competitive.
The case in point isnt scoring, it really isnt even bowling balls, he has been saying for years he wants to see lane technology increase to compensate for things and to give the power players an skill the others dont have. Things are just moving too slowly on this front.
When the power players make the telecast, when they get going, when they are pumped up it is exciting to watch, it draws more crowds, it gets more people into the sport wanting to emulate their idols, and most importantly, it brings more money into the game with major sponsorship deals.
300's are never, ever boring to watch. Very few have been telecast on national tv in the history of the PBA (which means very few occur during live matchplay), he wants the focus shifted to the personalities of the sport and get the big guys rolling it again.
And you know what? he is right, watching the thumbless (though he did throw it with thumb sometimes too, and it was just as big) cranker, mark roth throw that huge shot out, then watch it come screaming into the pocket is entertaining and it has left a lasting impression on my game.
It happens in leagues and tournaments right the way around the country at the moment, get a cranker in the house, watch them explode on the lanes and destroy anything in front of them. When they get going it is like they have the ball on a string, send it out, flick the string and watch it come back in. That is what is exciting about them, that is what the public is amazed at, not everyone can do it, and marshall feels there needs to be more of them back in the game for the PBA (and bowling) to pull itself out of this rutt it is in. He doesnt really care how it is done (balls, lanes, technology, oils, make them bowl in the dark, whatever), he just wants them back in the game and back in the game now.
Rightly so if you ask me.
Marshall is saying that power players are being taken out of the game, the game is much more exciting with them in it reguardless if 300's are being shot every single week and reguardless of what ball is in their hands. He is one of the few people who accept that balls and technology is here to stay, nothing is going to reverse that, but he wants more improvements placed on lane conditions and technology development here. Read the comments about sport conditions and how a lot of bowlers around today wouldnt be able to succeed in his perfect PBA (one with oil which only increases the inaccuracy of someone not being able to hit a target while maintaining revs).
What he is saying is that bowling is exciting with the big scores and the big power players going, the issue of scores dont even come into it until later in the article (and even then it is a shot at how ball technology has increased to allow anyone to rev a ball, but it has still shut out those players who learnt the craft and can really cover some boards due to lane advancements lacking behind).
What he is simply saying is that scores should not be the focus of the issue of getting bowling back into the spotlight, he is saying you need a draw card, some atmoshpere, some flare, something exciting to watch. Guys reving the ball up, sending it coast to coast and destroying the lane are exciting, not just because of the wild shots (and holy cow you dont get any wilder than smith), but because of their attitudes and the whole stigma they bring to the game.
He is dissapointed that, with the number of power players on the tour, they have simply dont have the conditions for them to bowl on. He is saying that power players have been shut out of the game with many of them resorting to weaker deliveries in order to remain competitive.
The case in point isnt scoring, it really isnt even bowling balls, he has been saying for years he wants to see lane technology increase to compensate for things and to give the power players an skill the others dont have. Things are just moving too slowly on this front.
When the power players make the telecast, when they get going, when they are pumped up it is exciting to watch, it draws more crowds, it gets more people into the sport wanting to emulate their idols, and most importantly, it brings more money into the game with major sponsorship deals.
300's are never, ever boring to watch. Very few have been telecast on national tv in the history of the PBA (which means very few occur during live matchplay), he wants the focus shifted to the personalities of the sport and get the big guys rolling it again.
And you know what? he is right, watching the thumbless (though he did throw it with thumb sometimes too, and it was just as big) cranker, mark roth throw that huge shot out, then watch it come screaming into the pocket is entertaining and it has left a lasting impression on my game.
It happens in leagues and tournaments right the way around the country at the moment, get a cranker in the house, watch them explode on the lanes and destroy anything in front of them. When they get going it is like they have the ball on a string, send it out, flick the string and watch it come back in. That is what is exciting about them, that is what the public is amazed at, not everyone can do it, and marshall feels there needs to be more of them back in the game for the PBA (and bowling) to pull itself out of this rutt it is in. He doesnt really care how it is done (balls, lanes, technology, oils, make them bowl in the dark, whatever), he just wants them back in the game and back in the game now.
Rightly so if you ask me.
RobbieB
Rodentus scientificus
Mark Roth did not bowl thumbless. And he was consistently among the top two or three spare shooters on the tour, as well as having a huge strike ball in the days when it actually took some skill to do so.
AFAIK, Mike Miller is the only thumbless bowler to have any real success on the pba tour.
AFAIK, Mike Miller is the only thumbless bowler to have any real success on the pba tour.
Easy Tiger
Active Member
tonx said:Oh your not allowed to show emotion on the lanes nowadays, people think its wrong to cheer, shout, clap your hands, ride shots etc, etc...
Its read as arrogance; not having a good time
Samael said:
Couldn't agree more. Some people really hate other bowlers riding their shots. Who gives a toss if the person on the next lane rides a shot halfway onto your lane - you shouldn't be in the way anyway until that bowler has finished. They have every right to ride their shot up to one lane either side of their lane, and you are breaking the code of ettiquette if you are in the way when they ride the shot. It's very well for the person who hates riding shots to say "I don't give a **** what the rules say, I don't like it" but as long as you're bowling, you are playing by those rules, both for and against what you believe, like, or dislike. I personally like to get excited when I bowl, and in a tournament I like to pump myself up, and sometimes have ridden a shot halfway or less onto the next lane - never a full lane. I was once called a clown for doing it by an adult bowler, who at the time I sort of looked up to and thought of highly. It got a bit nasty and I regret it ever happening, but it should never have happened. I'm 19 and I'm not perfect, but all I was trying to do was have some fun and got excited. Since then I've been more guarded because of that incident which was most unpleasant, and not something I ever want to encounter again, but I have to say honestly that bowling has become less fun than it used to be, because you are afraid to show emotion or get excited in case an incident like that happens again.
I honestly believe the sport needs excitement. It's so much more fun when you can just be yourself and let go. It won't inspire people to take up the sport seeing everybody with grim faces and no emotion at all. Take cricket, footy, soccer, boxing, even chess! They all get excited when they are on a winning streak or something goes their way. Nobody would go to the games if the players showed no emotion...
