Australian Open Prize Fund Payout?
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rychenroller
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The prize fund was based on 90 entries and 40 re-entries. Well they got their 90 entries but there must have been something in the way of 150 re-entries! Well done to those who cashed in on the extra.
I can tell you wayne
they had over 200 trys, with 80 something bowlers
the payout was as it was on the entry form plus 25 bux per spot thats it
So first was like 2600, 2nd 1500, 3rd and 4th 1300 or somthing, i finished 9th to 16th and got 525
i know a few people who were not happy with the payout, as they believe with the amount of bowlers having 2nd 3rd and some people having up to 7 goes the payout should of been higher
they had over 200 trys, with 80 something bowlers
the payout was as it was on the entry form plus 25 bux per spot thats it
So first was like 2600, 2nd 1500, 3rd and 4th 1300 or somthing, i finished 9th to 16th and got 525
i know a few people who were not happy with the payout, as they believe with the amount of bowlers having 2nd 3rd and some people having up to 7 goes the payout should of been higher
Gary said:Need a break down then AMF
Gary................................................................
Well i think so too, specially since they charged 12 bolwers 30 bux for 1 game in the desperardo squad, i was happy to get 25 bux more so no complaints from me, but a few of the comments i heard about the payout were not nice but hey cant please everyone
at least they did pay extra so thats a good thing
According to the entry form (lets hope my maths is correct) with the highest possible entry fees paid the tournament was already running at a $4000 loss without game fees. I would really like someone to correct me here as this can't be right. The breakdown is as follows:
The total of the prizefund payout for the 40 spots to be paid was $19950
Income would have been
90 entrys at $150 = $13500
40 Re-entryys at $50 = $2000
Which gives a total of $15500
Now as most bowlers only paid $100 entry and a $50 re-entry and based on this as the amounts paid by all bowlers, with the actual entrys recieved it worked out as follows
89 1st entrys @ $100 = $8900
148 Re-entrys @ $50 = $7400
12 Desperados @ $30 = $360
Total income = $16660
I must be missing something here, as these figures just don't add up correctly and would love if someone could shed some light on what happened with the actual prizefund payout
Note that no game fees have been taken from the above calculations
The total of the prizefund payout for the 40 spots to be paid was $19950
Income would have been
90 entrys at $150 = $13500
40 Re-entryys at $50 = $2000
Which gives a total of $15500
Now as most bowlers only paid $100 entry and a $50 re-entry and based on this as the amounts paid by all bowlers, with the actual entrys recieved it worked out as follows
89 1st entrys @ $100 = $8900
148 Re-entrys @ $50 = $7400
12 Desperados @ $30 = $360
Total income = $16660
I must be missing something here, as these figures just don't add up correctly and would love if someone could shed some light on what happened with the actual prizefund payout
Note that no game fees have been taken from the above calculations
I could be wrong here but yes I think you are right.
They have topped up this tournament prize fund out of there own pockets yet again. I have a feeling unless something major happens with the Major events in Australia, or in the way of chasing a major sponsor then this might be happening for a while.
How long will they be prepared to top up tournaments in Australia for?
Who knows, but surely this can’t keep happening.
Maybe its time we developed a Tournament committee to run the Australian circuit and chase a major sponsor. Maybe its time we promote things a little differently or time we changed the profile of the sport and these events. Maybe we all need to be a little more over the top or out there with these events, and how they are promoted and run.
I saw first hand really how many people were at the AO to watch the final and to be honest it was very disappointing to see the handful of people there to see Porto receive his AO trophy. There was more of a crowd at the VIC 150.
This was meant to be the Australian Open and no disrespect to the tournament director or the staff at Sunshine, but it felt like walking into the center with a league on bowling. We need to know what is being bowled at these centers and everyone else for that matter, from the moment they walk into the bowling centers. By no means am I trying to take anything away from Porto and his AO win, but I am sure that the prestige of this event has been a little tarnished and will take a little to get that back to years ago. Simple things like dress codes and check in times really need to be reintroduced to tournaments and enforced, (that is also not a dig at the late comers of the first squad) but I do believe we need to take a long hard look at it all and change a few things. Presentation is everything!!!!
As for the cheaper squads for the AO, as a suggestion I think these cheaper squads should have been opened up to the lower average bowlers to enter in first, and closed off to the open or higher average bowlers.
Yes the prize fund was ordinary to say the least.
Just my thoughts.
They have topped up this tournament prize fund out of there own pockets yet again. I have a feeling unless something major happens with the Major events in Australia, or in the way of chasing a major sponsor then this might be happening for a while.
How long will they be prepared to top up tournaments in Australia for?
Who knows, but surely this can’t keep happening.
Maybe its time we developed a Tournament committee to run the Australian circuit and chase a major sponsor. Maybe its time we promote things a little differently or time we changed the profile of the sport and these events. Maybe we all need to be a little more over the top or out there with these events, and how they are promoted and run.
I saw first hand really how many people were at the AO to watch the final and to be honest it was very disappointing to see the handful of people there to see Porto receive his AO trophy. There was more of a crowd at the VIC 150.
This was meant to be the Australian Open and no disrespect to the tournament director or the staff at Sunshine, but it felt like walking into the center with a league on bowling. We need to know what is being bowled at these centers and everyone else for that matter, from the moment they walk into the bowling centers. By no means am I trying to take anything away from Porto and his AO win, but I am sure that the prestige of this event has been a little tarnished and will take a little to get that back to years ago. Simple things like dress codes and check in times really need to be reintroduced to tournaments and enforced, (that is also not a dig at the late comers of the first squad) but I do believe we need to take a long hard look at it all and change a few things. Presentation is everything!!!!
As for the cheaper squads for the AO, as a suggestion I think these cheaper squads should have been opened up to the lower average bowlers to enter in first, and closed off to the open or higher average bowlers.
Yes the prize fund was ordinary to say the least.
Just my thoughts.
FLOWER
Well-Known Member
A very minor observation!!
Why go and actually SEE our sport in real time at a centre when we can sit at home, post comments about 'when will the results be posted and where can I find them', criticize bowlers we have never seen, comment on lane conditions without seeing the bowlers competing and adjusting etc., and never get to know the bowlers by sight, dress, personality, bowling ability and presence on the lanes?
The 'old days' saw spectators getting more fun out of the bowlers' reactions, running around with bits of paper with scores (who will make it????), watching and judging bowlers under pressure, and the ensuing gossip when they arrived back in their own states with results we poured over at league.
Sponsors then may have gotten more value for their money, bowlers certainly had more pressure on them whilst competing as the crowd did not 'miss' them when they 'stuffed up', they became tougher at competing, everyone gave 'good advice' but it was up close and personal!!! Groups of bowlers from other states hung around - it has become a solitary game for many...especially the new bowlers who really do feel 'out of the loop'.
Yes, the online business may be booming but at what expense to crowds at the actual tourns.....from interstate it is just great but are we just following the 'instant' trend of today's world -
and I am not bagging the online users - far from it - maybe the BOWLERS themselves need to hang around and watch other squads, presentations etc....they disappear so fast after they have competed and the joy of meeting up with new bowlers, old bowlers and competitors from other squads to compare notes, gripe, and whinge has gone - the new world outside the bowl has won.......
Flower
Why go and actually SEE our sport in real time at a centre when we can sit at home, post comments about 'when will the results be posted and where can I find them', criticize bowlers we have never seen, comment on lane conditions without seeing the bowlers competing and adjusting etc., and never get to know the bowlers by sight, dress, personality, bowling ability and presence on the lanes?
The 'old days' saw spectators getting more fun out of the bowlers' reactions, running around with bits of paper with scores (who will make it????), watching and judging bowlers under pressure, and the ensuing gossip when they arrived back in their own states with results we poured over at league.
Sponsors then may have gotten more value for their money, bowlers certainly had more pressure on them whilst competing as the crowd did not 'miss' them when they 'stuffed up', they became tougher at competing, everyone gave 'good advice' but it was up close and personal!!! Groups of bowlers from other states hung around - it has become a solitary game for many...especially the new bowlers who really do feel 'out of the loop'.
Yes, the online business may be booming but at what expense to crowds at the actual tourns.....from interstate it is just great but are we just following the 'instant' trend of today's world -
and I am not bagging the online users - far from it - maybe the BOWLERS themselves need to hang around and watch other squads, presentations etc....they disappear so fast after they have competed and the joy of meeting up with new bowlers, old bowlers and competitors from other squads to compare notes, gripe, and whinge has gone - the new world outside the bowl has won.......
Flower
jason_doust
The Bowling Geek
Good point Mary!
I reckon Terry Wenban and I saw more of the Brunswick Australian Cup in Tuggeranong than most of the players. We were catching up with old friends, meeting new ones and generally having a good time. Where was everyone? We went to the nearby club for dinner and saw players on the pokies, some commendably having dinner and a good time, but very few actually watching the action. Stick around folks! Learn some more while you're there! And get off the pokies! They are tax for the mathematically challenged! (Sorry - pet hate.)
Geez, I picked up a heap of good things while I was there. Admittedly, I'm still catching up, but will happily go toe to toe with anyone on the finer points of this game. So if an old bowling nerd like me can glean valuable knowledge while having a good time, what can all you guys and gals who are putting up your cash more regularly get or give?
If tournaments have less atmosphere than the moon, what hope sponsors?
I reckon Terry Wenban and I saw more of the Brunswick Australian Cup in Tuggeranong than most of the players. We were catching up with old friends, meeting new ones and generally having a good time. Where was everyone? We went to the nearby club for dinner and saw players on the pokies, some commendably having dinner and a good time, but very few actually watching the action. Stick around folks! Learn some more while you're there! And get off the pokies! They are tax for the mathematically challenged! (Sorry - pet hate.)
Geez, I picked up a heap of good things while I was there. Admittedly, I'm still catching up, but will happily go toe to toe with anyone on the finer points of this game. So if an old bowling nerd like me can glean valuable knowledge while having a good time, what can all you guys and gals who are putting up your cash more regularly get or give?
If tournaments have less atmosphere than the moon, what hope sponsors?
CSP
Member
After reading all the posts here. I have to agree on some points by all that have posted.
Tenpin Bowling needs a huge overhaul.
SPONSORS NEEDED TO INCREASE PRIZEFUNDS:
Tournament Tenpin Bowling cannot improve without the sponsors help. Prizefunds need to increase as travel expenses have, and bowlers just cannot afford to be travelling to the events and not cover all costs when winning their prize money. Example of this is the Australian Open, a bowler from NSW needs to finish 3rd & 4th in the event to receive $1300 and cover their expenses for the weekend. Where the case should be making the final and that will cover the expenses for the weekend.
The centre manager of the hosting event should approach local businesses for sponsorship towards the event and if the business is willing to help they can have advertising space within the centre for 12 months, you can have different categories for business sponsorship (eg: Package 1 $500, 2 $1000, 3 $1500, 4 $2000) and state what the business will gain from the package they decide to help with. This money from local business with go towards promoting the event and prize money for the tournament.
TO ENCOURAGE LOWER AVERAGE PLAYERS TO COMPETE:
Jase is correct on this one. The first entry for the lower average player should be the cheapest entry for encouragement, then if they decide to re-enter they can and it would cost them equal amount as the expensive squads. Not enough new players are entering these tournaments and that is killing the events. I remember when 120 players competed, there is atleast 40 entries missing from tournaments every year from when it used to have 120 per tournament for a national.
Admitting that most bowlers would have a coach but you could have a part of the day where elite players can help to lower average players how to play and learn the mental game. Maybe have a PRO-AM where league players or juniors can bowl with the elite.
ATTRACTING SPECTATORS TO WATCH THE SPORT:
Changing the formats of some events were supposed to increase spectators, interest and excitement to the people there watching the final. I'am still yet to see it.
Social bowlers are not going to ever spend their sunday watching a tenpin bowling tournament unless it's in front of the TV sitting in their armchair with a beer in hand and there is no football on television. The people that needs attracting to watch are the centres league players, even the surrounding centres league players. Now they also are not just going to come in and watch a full days play of tenpin bowling unless their are die hard tenpin bowlers. An idea could be to promote in the centres leagues leading up to the major tournament that any league player that attends the event to watch will receive 1 free league game or maybe $5.00 off at the cafe. An incentive scheme needs to be introduced.
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Christian Purdue
Tenpin Bowling needs a huge overhaul.
SPONSORS NEEDED TO INCREASE PRIZEFUNDS:
Tournament Tenpin Bowling cannot improve without the sponsors help. Prizefunds need to increase as travel expenses have, and bowlers just cannot afford to be travelling to the events and not cover all costs when winning their prize money. Example of this is the Australian Open, a bowler from NSW needs to finish 3rd & 4th in the event to receive $1300 and cover their expenses for the weekend. Where the case should be making the final and that will cover the expenses for the weekend.
The centre manager of the hosting event should approach local businesses for sponsorship towards the event and if the business is willing to help they can have advertising space within the centre for 12 months, you can have different categories for business sponsorship (eg: Package 1 $500, 2 $1000, 3 $1500, 4 $2000) and state what the business will gain from the package they decide to help with. This money from local business with go towards promoting the event and prize money for the tournament.
TO ENCOURAGE LOWER AVERAGE PLAYERS TO COMPETE:
Jase is correct on this one. The first entry for the lower average player should be the cheapest entry for encouragement, then if they decide to re-enter they can and it would cost them equal amount as the expensive squads. Not enough new players are entering these tournaments and that is killing the events. I remember when 120 players competed, there is atleast 40 entries missing from tournaments every year from when it used to have 120 per tournament for a national.
Admitting that most bowlers would have a coach but you could have a part of the day where elite players can help to lower average players how to play and learn the mental game. Maybe have a PRO-AM where league players or juniors can bowl with the elite.
ATTRACTING SPECTATORS TO WATCH THE SPORT:
Changing the formats of some events were supposed to increase spectators, interest and excitement to the people there watching the final. I'am still yet to see it.
Social bowlers are not going to ever spend their sunday watching a tenpin bowling tournament unless it's in front of the TV sitting in their armchair with a beer in hand and there is no football on television. The people that needs attracting to watch are the centres league players, even the surrounding centres league players. Now they also are not just going to come in and watch a full days play of tenpin bowling unless their are die hard tenpin bowlers. An idea could be to promote in the centres leagues leading up to the major tournament that any league player that attends the event to watch will receive 1 free league game or maybe $5.00 off at the cafe. An incentive scheme needs to be introduced.
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Christian Purdue
