Hey Dmac yeh he was sore Monday,Chub bowled Tuesday night against me...he he,160,190,150 you could see him lose the elbow when he started to tire but the first 2 games were good the elbow was tucked in and he did'nt wrist it when he went for a 10 pin actually I dont think he missed 1 in the first 2 games a definet improvement.....thanks m8 we both reallyn appreciate the effort and we'll see you Saturday Cheerz Kev